RELEASED! Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
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Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
"The Three Unifiers" is a common term used when referring to Oda, Toyotomi, and Tokugawa. They're the ones who actually pulled it off in the end, not Takeda.
Maybe I'll call the faction "The Three Unifiers" to be precise.
Maybe I'll call the faction "The Three Unifiers" to be precise.
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Thanks for the explanation, now makes sense.jomni wrote:"The Three Unifiers" is a common term used when referring to Oda, Toyotomi, and Tokugawa. They're the ones who actually pulled it off in the end, not Takeda.
Maybe I'll call the faction "The Three Unifiers" to be precise.
Let me know if you want any more terrain.
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Thanks for the tiles.
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New paints

From top left:
Ronin (swordsmen)
Samurai Teppo (dragoons)
Sohei (warrior monks)
Mounted Samurai Yumi (mounted archers)
From top left:
Ronin (swordsmen)
Samurai Teppo (dragoons)
Sohei (warrior monks)
Mounted Samurai Yumi (mounted archers)
Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
Looking really great, keep up the good work!jomni wrote:New paints
From top left:
Ronin (swordsmen)
Samurai Teppo (dragoons)
Sohei (warrior monks)
Mounted Samurai Yumi (mounted archers)
Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
Our commanders will soon have an HQ.




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Very nice work! Your mod is going to be a real enrichment to the game. Could inspire me to learn more about an era I don't know much about.

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Good job, lookign forward to the mod. 

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Blue Army on the march. Special thanks to Richard for all the support.

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A little background on the honjin and how it works in the mod.
The commander's tent or honjin is the place where the army's main commander sits. Before the battle, a war council is held here; where the commander and his generals discuss strategy. The commander stays in the honjin for the duration of the battle and communicate with other generals via messengers. We seldom see commanders fighting in the front line. I hope adding the honjin in the mod will help enhance the theme as these are an essential feature in samurai battles.
In Field of Glory Renaissance, an army has a camp which may represent the honjin and is undefended and can be raided. Field camps aren't implemented in the current Pike and Shot. In my Pike and Shot mod, the honjin is actually a 200-man heavily armored elite swordsmen unit that is immobile. I assume that the commander has a contingent of his hatamoto guards. During testing, it is such a delight to see these guards kill 10s of attackers while losing just a few.
Because of how the army list works, honjins only become mandatory at large battles. Medium battles (preferred size for skirmish) do not require the purchase of a honjin. The AI will also purchase a honjin randomly. It would be nice to make it mandatory but let's live with this for now.
In the current build, Honjin deployment is random but you cannot change it. This mechanic prevents gamey tactics like deploying them in the far end of the map. The deployment code makes sure that the honjin is initially deployed at the center or rear of the army.
Though optional in small to medium sized battles, buying a honjin is actally beneficial to the army as it enhances "morale and command and contol". How is that? By assigning a high unit size (3000) for this mere 200-man unit, it proportionally lowers the rout % of the other units. This results into more staying power when compared to a honjin-less army as long as the honjin is still alive. Rationally, a commander in his tent has more opportunity to influence the battle than on the move. Obviously, losing your honjin is devastating.
When the battle is fought by two human players, it is advisable for both sides to puchase the honjin to add historical flavor and tactical variety not found regular Pike and Shot. There will always be the questions "shall I go for the enemy's honjin" and "shall I leave a reserve to protect my honjin?".
The number of men, unit size, purchase cost will be tweaked with more testing.

The commander's tent or honjin is the place where the army's main commander sits. Before the battle, a war council is held here; where the commander and his generals discuss strategy. The commander stays in the honjin for the duration of the battle and communicate with other generals via messengers. We seldom see commanders fighting in the front line. I hope adding the honjin in the mod will help enhance the theme as these are an essential feature in samurai battles.
In Field of Glory Renaissance, an army has a camp which may represent the honjin and is undefended and can be raided. Field camps aren't implemented in the current Pike and Shot. In my Pike and Shot mod, the honjin is actually a 200-man heavily armored elite swordsmen unit that is immobile. I assume that the commander has a contingent of his hatamoto guards. During testing, it is such a delight to see these guards kill 10s of attackers while losing just a few.
Because of how the army list works, honjins only become mandatory at large battles. Medium battles (preferred size for skirmish) do not require the purchase of a honjin. The AI will also purchase a honjin randomly. It would be nice to make it mandatory but let's live with this for now.
In the current build, Honjin deployment is random but you cannot change it. This mechanic prevents gamey tactics like deploying them in the far end of the map. The deployment code makes sure that the honjin is initially deployed at the center or rear of the army.
Though optional in small to medium sized battles, buying a honjin is actally beneficial to the army as it enhances "morale and command and contol". How is that? By assigning a high unit size (3000) for this mere 200-man unit, it proportionally lowers the rout % of the other units. This results into more staying power when compared to a honjin-less army as long as the honjin is still alive. Rationally, a commander in his tent has more opportunity to influence the battle than on the move. Obviously, losing your honjin is devastating.
When the battle is fought by two human players, it is advisable for both sides to puchase the honjin to add historical flavor and tactical variety not found regular Pike and Shot. There will always be the questions "shall I go for the enemy's honjin" and "shall I leave a reserve to protect my honjin?".
The number of men, unit size, purchase cost will be tweaked with more testing.

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Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
You need to keep the points cost low, otherwise you will need to tweak the Autodeploy() routine to keep them being deployed at the back. (Although that would be easy to do, in a similar way to the other Honjin tweaks).
Making them cheap keeps them good value.
Making them cheap keeps them good value.
Richard Bodley Scott


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Yes. I noticed that. I will reduce the cost so that they are always at the back.
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Ah yes. sorry to rain on your parade, but the fighting capability is based on the UnitSize rather than than the TotalMen. TotalMen is just used to keep track of casualties. Fortunately a unit can never fight with more than 600 UnitSize of troops, but that means that if the UnitSize is high, whatever you set the TotalMen at, the unit will actually fight as if it had about 500 men.jomni wrote:Yes. I noticed that. I will reduce the cost so that they are always at the back. And maybe the number of men. Because they are quite tough currently. They only take less than 10 casualties a turn and don't want to reduce quality of the guards.
Which given their quality makes them pretty much invincible.
An alternative would be to give them a UnitSize in proportion to the actual number of men then tweak the scripts to make them count more towards losses. You would need to mod PercentRemaining() in a copy of MoreScenarioTools.BSF. Just put this in the /data/battle/scripts folder in your modded campaign. (Do not try to use the vanilla file structure.)
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// Returns % of army unrouted, based on base UnitSize with mounted troops counting 50% more proportionately.
FUNCTION PercentRemaining(side)
{
int i;
int id;
int count;
int total;
int ret;
int originalCount;
int increment;
originalCount = 0;
count = 0;
total = GetUnitCount(side);
for(i=0; i<total; i++)
{
id = GetUnitID(side, i);
if (id != -1)
{
increment = GetBaseAttrib(id, "UnitSize");
if (IsMounted(id) == 1)
{
increment *= 3;
}
else
{
increment *= 2;
}
GetUnitTypeString(GetUnitTypeIndex(id));
if (StringCompareLeft(GetWorkString(), "Honjin", 6) == 1)
{
increment *= 4; // Or whatever mutliplier you deem appropriate
}
originalCount += increment;
if (GetAttrib(id, "MoraleState") < 3) // Not routed or destroyed
{
count += increment;
}
}
}
Log("Side. Original units. Surviving units.", side, originalCount, count);
ret = count * 100;
ret /= originalCount;
return ret;
}
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GetUnitTypeString(GetUnitTypeIndex(id));
if (StringCompareLeft(GetWorkString(), "Honjin", 6) == 1)
{
increment *= 4; // Or whatever mutliplier you deem appropriate
}
Richard Bodley Scott


Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
Yes that was my intention. I will test using that script.
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Red Army behind field fortifications (mantlets). Managed to get these generated in skirmish battles thanks to Richard. Don't worry about the church and wheat fields. I will get rI'd of them eventually.

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Changes the default skirmish defenses from mantlets to horse barriers (umabosaku). I think they look better than a large number of mantlets.

The Battle of Nagashino comes into mind.

The Battle of Nagashino comes into mind.

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One lot of teppou men seem to be the wrong side of the barriers. Doh!
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Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
I have to say this is quite the project you took on but its looking great. I am looking forward to when it is available to play. Excellent work so far.
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Re: Yari & Teppo (the Pike & Shot Japanese mod)
Awesome mod.
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We're clearly not in Europe anymore.
Rice paddies (thanks to Sarbatha), oriental buildings, shinto shrines, buddhist temples, pagodas...




Big thanks to Richard for the help in scripting.
Rice paddies (thanks to Sarbatha), oriental buildings, shinto shrines, buddhist temples, pagodas...
Big thanks to Richard for the help in scripting.