AAR: Operation Barbarossa-Fortress Europa(no Massina please)

[supermax]

[KingHunter3059]

Supermax - this is a fun AAR (After Action Report, but in this case I think, it should be a Before and During Action Report). You have proved once again 'Qui audet adipiscitur!'. Good form and Good show chap!


Jay

[supermax]

Supermax - this is a fun AAR (After Action Report, but in this case I think, it should be a Before and During Action Report). You have proved once again 'Qui audet adipiscitur!'. Good form and Good show chap!


Jay

Thanks Jay. I admit to be showing off a little bit for the gallery i guess i like the audience. most of my games are a little bit more relaxed , unless my opponent gives me a big opening. Like in this other game my opponent chose to defend forward with Russia. Result, i have the Caucacus oil, i am at the gates of Moscow and the Russians have close to 7 millions casualities to show for it.

[Crazygunner1]

Looking good, very well thought of, i just hope he won´t counter attack in africa with the 2 INF, the tank and the fighter combined could destroy your fighter that cut´s off supply for the britts. Maybe he won´t see it. That would present a problem if that tank and infantry is resupplied again, not to mention that one of your infantrys will be out of supply.

Other than that i can´t see any other problems and like you said, the absence of RN makes you wonder if they are coming at all....

[supermax]

Looking good, very well thought of, i just hope he won´t counter attack in africa with the 2 INF, the tank and the fighter combined could destroy your fighter that cut´s off supply for the britts. Maybe he won´t see it. That would present a problem if that tank and infantry is resupplied again, not to mention that one of your infantrys will be out of supply.

Other than that i can´t see any other problems and like you said, the absence of RN makes you wonder if they are coming at all....

Well that fighter is there for a good reason, i want him to pound on it. Its loss would be a bummer, but if you weight it against the effect of these 4 top-of-the-line troops on countering my landing, i prefer loosing a fighter than jeopartysing the whole operation. The more time these troops spend out west, the better, i can take Cairo and Port Said in between.

The transport up north is a tank, and i have a MECh ready to go. If he commits his 2 suplied infantry to try to dislodge the 2 outsupplied ones, the 4 of them will be out of supply next turn. If i can manage that, its Port Said all the way in 2 turns max. I can even be in Bagdad before the end of 1940 maybee?

[supermax]

Question to all:

Can someone outline me the way the middle east rail network is operating?

Like if you take Bagdad it becomes inoperative? Or maybee it is Cairo?

[Crazygunner1]

Question to all:

Can someone outline me the way the middle east rail network is operating?

Like if you take Bagdad it becomes inoperative? Or maybee it is Cairo?

Hi

You have to force Irak to surrender, take baghdad and Basra, only one of them doesn´t cut it.

[harrybanana]

I am a tech junkie myself, so what I am curious about is how many labs Supermax has built. With his initial heavy losses in Poland and bulding 5 TACs I am thinking not many. But I could well be wrong. Time will tell (I'm sure Max won't).

My prediction by the way is that Max will launch Sealion in April 41. A risky move for sure, which is why I think Max will do it. Of course the more British units that are moved to defend the Middle East, the more likely Sealion becomes.

[Rhialto]

I am a tech junkie myself, so what I am curious about is how many labs Supermax has built. With his initial heavy losses in Poland and bulding 5 TACs I am thinking not many. But I could well be wrong. Time will tell (I'm sure Max won't).

My prediction by the way is that Max will launch Sealion in April 41. A risky move for sure, which is why I think Max will do it. Of course the more British units that are moved to defend the Middle East, the more likely Sealion becomes.

Max shows his research situation in a post dated 22nd Oct (previous page of thread) just before invading Cairo. It doesn't look that bad. 7 labs; 1I, 2Arm, 2Air, 1 Nav, 1 gen.

I don't think he could do Sealion in spring of '41 as he has to do a reasonably strong Barbarossa using all that oil he presumably will have. He must knock Russia out to win, but he doesn't have to knock Britain out to win. He won't have the resources to finish up Iraq/Iran, do Sealion and also do Barbarossa.

[harrybanana]

Max shows his research situation in a post dated 22nd Oct (previous page of thread) just before invading Cairo. It doesn't look that bad. 7 labs; 1I, 2Arm, 2Air, 1 Nav, 1 gen.

I don't think he could do Sealion in spring of '41 as he has to do a reasonably strong Barbarossa using all that oil he presumably will have. He must knock Russia out to win, but he doesn't have to knock Britain out to win. He won't have the resources to finish up Iraq/Iran, do Sealion and also do Barbarossa.

Oops, thanks Rhialto. 7 labs is pretty good considering the losses and the builds. But I suppose Max has been receiving all the pps from France for a while now.

As for Sealiom, we'll see. I stand by my prediction, but a lot will depend on what happens in the Middle East in terms of force commitment by the brits. Max doesn't have to knock out Russia to win. He simply has to hold 4 capitals by game end. He already has Berlin, Paris and Rome; whether the 4th capital is London or Moscow doesn't matter.

[rkr1958]

Max doesn't have to knock out Russia to win. He simply has to hold 4 capitals by game end. He already has Berlin, Paris and Rome; whether the 4th capital is London or Moscow doesn't matter.

To simply win all Max has to do is survive past May 1945. I guess technically that's just holding onto one capital (i.e., Berlin or Hamburg). To win an ulitmate victory is when Max needs four major capitals, for which Hamburg doesn't count. I suspect Max's 4th capital objective (he already holds Berlin, Rome & Paris) is Moscow and not London. The only real chance that I see for Massina now is with Russia and I don't see Max allowing that to happen. My bet is that Max will launch a surpringsly strong Baraborossa in the summer of 1941 and capture Moscow in 1942. Also, I see the US & UK trying to reenter Europe through Spain in late 1942 or early 1943 and being tied up there at war's end. Though it looks attractive getting to France through Spain even when you land there in late 1942 it's slow going and very difficult against a strong opponent like Max. Trust me on this as I have find hand experience with this against Max, Joe Rock & Borger.

[Rhialto]

I doubt Max would consider anything less than an ultimate victory as satisfactory. He probably wants Omsk via Iran/Iraq as well as Moscow.
As for the Allied point of view, I agree that invading Spain is too slow. In the absence of Sealion, if I were Massina I would take advantage of still having Britain (the only strong positive I see for him right now), build up in Britain and invade as early as possible across the Channel or North Sea to try and take the heat off the Russians.

[supermax]

I am a tech junkie myself, so what I am curious about is how many labs Supermax has built. With his initial heavy losses in Poland and bulding 5 TACs I am thinking not many. But I could well be wrong. Time will tell (I'm sure Max won't).

My prediction by the way is that Max will launch Sealion in April 41. A risky move for sure, which is why I think Max will do it. Of course the more British units that are moved to defend the Middle East, the more likely Sealion becomes.

I have 7 labs purchased

[supermax]

Max doesn't have to knock out Russia to win. He simply has to hold 4 capitals by game end. He already has Berlin, Paris and Rome; whether the 4th capital is London or Moscow doesn't matter.

To simply win all Max has to do is survive past May 1945. I guess technically that's just holding onto one capital (i.e., Berlin or Hamburg). To win an ulitmate victory is when Max needs four major capitals, for which Hamburg doesn't count. I suspect Max's 4th capital objective (he already holds Berlin, Rome & Paris) is Moscow and not London. The only real chance that I see for Massina now is with Russia and I don't see Max allowing that to happen. My bet is that Max will launch a surpringsly strong Baraborossa in the summer of 1941 and capture Moscow in 1942. Also, I see the US & UK trying to reenter Europe through Spain in late 1942 or early 1943 and being tied up there at war's end. Though it looks attractive getting to France through Spain even when you land there in late 1942 it's slow going and very difficult against a strong opponent like Max. Trust me on this as I have find hand experience with this against Max, Joe Rock & Borger.

I rest my case.

The title says it all (until i change it maybee?)

But for sure i am going for a strong Barbarossa in 1941. After that... We will see.

[Crazygunner1]

Massina is really presented with a problem here. The way i see it, he has to stand up against the Axis in Russia as early as possible, get max to come into a sluggfest with heavy losses. At the same time launch something/anything in France do cause some confusion and distraction. If he doesn´t and simply retreats as the Russians normally do, he will loose so much ground and most importantly valuable PPs wich i don´t think he can recover from.

It might be possible for Massina to launch a quick massive offensive in Irak against Axis forces there to deny him the oil. If he would accomplish that and then in time rail back to defense of Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad depending on where the battle is or even launch a counterattack, Max could be in serious trouble. Max will probably not be able to continue due to oil shortage and will be forced to settle in, defend and prevent Allies from pushing back on all fronts.

I would probably fear the latest one, Max. But i don´t think Massina thinks that way, that is way to aggressive for him, so he will probably not do it....

[Rhialto]

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It might be possible for Massina to launch a quick massive offensive in Irak against Axis forces there to deny him the oil. If he would accomplish that and then in time rail back to defense of Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad depending on where the battle is or even launch a counterattack, Max could be in serious trouble. Max will probably not be able to continue due to oil shortage and will be forced to settle in, defend and prevent Allies from pushing back on all fronts.

I would probably fear the latest one, Max. But i don´t think Massina thinks that way, that is way to aggressive for him, so he will probably not do it....

If Max holds off attacking Russia until all the Iraq/Iran oil fields are secure and he has built up a second force in Poland to go for Moscow - Summer 1941 or even later, Massina won't be able to use the Russian forces to attack the Middle East before then. The Americans won't be in the war and the British will be locked out due to loss of the Suez canal. An attack on Iraq by Russia would not get under way until 1942 and by the spring of 1942 Moscow will likely be endangered.

[supermax]

All of these questions have a simple answer. I need to secure Iran before Barbarossa starts. While it may be difficult, with the state of affaires i do not see this as impossible.

Time is in my side i think.

[supermax]

LOL

Well, i guess this game is a sinker! I got so carried away by my campaign in the Middle East that i forgot to garrison Rome.

Took Gibraltar and evacuated what i could from Egypt.

We'll try to ride the storm on this one. Ahh too bad i did have something interesting going in the Middle East

[Kuz]

The best laid schemes of Mice and Men
oft go awry,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy

[supermax]

The best laid schemes of Mice and Men
oft go awry,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy

lol yeah!

What a nice poem to describe my situation!

hehehe