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That was certainly a very bloody battle. Great stuff anyway.Brummbar44 wrote:Sorry for your luck mlazar. At least you significantly weakened that AB for the next attack.
Which will be...
192/21pz Attack Fixed Denfence v. 5/6Ab at Villers-Bocage
Commanders, at your earliest convenience please let me know BG command.
Strategic map updated...OOB to be released shortly. Thanks.
I wouldn't take it too hard, Mlazar.mlazar wrote:If i did this all over, I bet I would win handily. Max out the infantry, Bomb the town, THEN advance. Repeat with the corn field. Can't believe how bad I played.
Yup, that's the only game running.GottaLove88s wrote: Is Hillman the only game still running?
For what it's worth, I'll add that we haven't play-tested the new maps before engaging the enemy on them. But yes, new players should test the GJS environment, maybe by picking up June 6 battles to see the new unit dynamics at work and so forth.I'd encourage anyone new to GJS'44 to get well acquainted with section 9 of the rules & regs, explaining all of the mods, and then playing at least 3-4 games, to try out swap, smoke, walking mortars, tougher 3 man mortars, slow moving HMGs, 8 man infantry, 4 man PIAT teams, etc, and the dual deploy where you can start in pretty generous zones and even preload transports...
Believe me, whatever you can think of, KingT's asked it twice already, lol!!
Good point KT, Given that June 7th PM battles will include Vimont, Villers-Bocage, Hillman and Caen, nearly all of us have played most of those at some point by now... so it's totally recommended to try them out to figure out the winning (and losing) strategies... Although there's no rule prohibiting it, there's kind of an unofficial honour code that says that players shouldn't play the scenario (ie. the map and the exact unit sets for them and their opponent) that they'll receive for their GJS'44 games...kingt wrote:For what it's worth, I'll add that we haven't play-tested the new maps before engaging the enemy on them. But yes, new players should test the GJS environment, maybe by picking up June 6 battles to see the new unit dynamics at work and so forth.
Apparently, it's worth sharing this one, on aircraft, to head off an innocent question from becoming a brand new issue to fight over... GJS'44 uses basic Typhoon and Fw190G-2 aircraft models, although as we all know, the Brit Typhoon was one heckuva lot more dangerous in its ground attack role than the 190 could ever be...KingT wrote:On 4 Dec 2012, at 02:57, King T wrote:
Hey everyone,
I was wondering whether we're playing with stock U.S. air support, or whether they'd be tuned up to reflect Allied Air superiority during the Normandy campaigns.
I know in the previous GJS season you had disagreements about how in-game Air support worked when it comes to AA resistance and damage vs German tanks, so considering that from June 8 we'll have some clear days, I think both sides need to know whether we'll have custom planes or regular BA ones.
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KingT
Hey KT,
GIve the Germans a chance ok!! Aren't you winning enough already, lol?
No changes to aircraft from the final version of original GJS.
Germans get Fw190's and Allies get Typhoons (as you guys know Typhoons are rather more impressive).
Doesn't anyone read the rules before asking questions any more, sigh, hehehe…
6.4 Germans will receive +2 Fw190 fighter-bomber bonuses if they hold Carpiquet airfield. Once lost, this cannot be won back.
6.41 Allies will always receive +2 Typhoon ground attack bonuses every turn.
9. Modifications
9.1 GJS'44 employs a number of mods to the core BA game engine to enhance gameplay, and we believe, to improve realism:
9.2 Dual deploy - Both sides of the MP battle are permitted to deploy into wide deployment zones (thanks Merr)
9.3 Smokey mortars - Mortars can choose to fire smoke to temporarily hide positions from the enemy (Enric)
9.4 Swap places - Neighbouring units can swap positions (RF900)
9.41 Walking mortars - Mortars can move one space per turn (Enric, GL88)
9.42 Walking HMGs - HMGs can move two spaces per turn (Enric, GL88)
9.5 Stronger infantry - Infantry, Engineers, Paras, Waffen SS and Volksgrenadiers have 8 men (Granfali)
9.51 Stronger base morale for infantry - Volksgrenadiers begin with 100 base morale, Engineers & Scouts 175, Paras & Waffen SS 200, All Other Infantry 150 (Granfali, GL88)
9.52 Stronger base morale for specials - Tigers and Churchills begin with 125 base morale, All Other Vehicles remain at 100 (GL88)
9.53 Stronger HMGs - Heavy Machine Guns (MG42, Vickers) have 5 men (Granfali)
9.54 Stronger auxiliaries - Scouts, Panzerfaust/Piat and flamethrower teams have 4 men (Granfali)
9.55 More powerful mortars - Mortar teams have 3 men (Granfali, K9mike)
9.6 Realistic M16AA - Armour of M16AA corrected to similar to M3, from which it was derived (GL88 c/o Arminius)
9.61 Realistic firing ranges - Range of Tiger and 88 pushed to 10; Range of Panther, Firefly, 17pdr, 75mmPak40, Marder III, M10 raised to 9; other armour stays at 8 (GL88)
9.62 Recon cars - Puma and M5 have LOS of 7 (versus true scouts LOS of 8 )(GL88)
ie. No modifications involving aircraft…
Mowby, what KT is sort of saying, is make sure you don't lose Carpiquet, ok!! See 6.4 above for the reason why…
Goodnight guys,
Jon
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Well guys, this isn't a fund-raising football game between David Beckham's friends and a team of pop stars that would end 5-5. It's war, right?GIve the Germans a chance ok!! Aren't you winning enough already, lol?
No I'm not saying that. It's exactly because I read the rules and the other thread that I'm actually interested whether Typhoons will do any damage in battle or not really. And I want to ask these questions before Air support comes in not during fighting.Mowby, what KT is sort of saying, is make sure you don't lose Carpiquet, ok!! See 6.41 above for the reason why…
As for this:4. typhoons are a nearly useless bonus...
I would add that no matter what time it is anywhere in this world, that paragraph is as annoying and disrespectful as when you offered a dictionary explanation of a word a few weeks back. I don't expect instant responses to any questions from GMs and the other players, and I don't think anyone else is either, especially with one of you on vacation. That's why I'm asking June 8 questions with at least a week to go until we start talking June 8 orders and battles.I would also add, since it's 3.30am in Southeast Asia, it would be appreciated if players/commanders would bother to read the rules that are directly relevant before asking new questions (or at least try to pretend to have bothered to read 'em! ).
Nonetheless KT, read the rules BEFORE asking questions.kingt wrote:Well guys, this isn't a fund-raising football game between David Beckham's friends and a team of pop stars that would end 5-5. It's war, right?GIve the Germans a chance ok!! Aren't you winning enough already, lol?
No I'm not saying that. It's exactly because I read the rules and the other thread that I'm actually interested whether Typhoons will do any damage in battle or not really. And I want to ask these questions before Air support comes in not during fighting.Mowby, what KT is sort of saying, is make sure you don't lose Carpiquet, ok!! See 6.41 above for the reason why…
You have already experienced this, hence my concerns, especially for the later stages of the war: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=36734&hilit=Typhoo ... 80#p354688:
As for this:4. typhoons are a nearly useless bonus...
I would add that no matter what time it is anywhere in this world, that paragraph is as annoying and disrespectful as when you offered a dictionary explanation of a word a few weeks back. I don't expect instant responses to any questions from GMs and the other players, and I don't think anyone else is either, especially with one of you on vacation. That's why I'm asking June 8 questions with at least a week to go until we start talking June 8 orders and battles.I would also add, since it's 3.30am in Southeast Asia, it would be appreciated if players/commanders would bother to read the rules that are directly relevant before asking new questions (or at least try to pretend to have bothered to read 'em! ).
You're saying all this as if we have a final ruleset that wasn't changed at all since the campaign started. When in fact this isn't the case. I have read them more then once, and still do, BEFORE asking questions.Nonetheless KT, read the rules BEFORE asking questions.
Not doing so is disrespectful also.
But I'm sure you realise this...
It's a game for everyone. So let me rephrase: it's a game of war. Would you like it to end in a draw?GottaLove88s wrote:Ps. No, it's not war... It's a game.
At least it is for the rest of us...
Since you read the rules, you would have realised Mowby gets 190s, you get Typhoons.kingt wrote:You're saying all this as if we have a final ruleset that wasn't changed at all since the campaign started. When in fact this isn't the case. I have read them more then once, and still do, BEFORE asking questions.Nonetheless KT, read the rules BEFORE asking questions.
Not doing so is disrespectful also.
But I'm sure you realise this...
+1Brummbar44 wrote:Everyone stop now please...this doesn't advance the game in any way.
So it's okay for you to question the effectiveness of Typhoons in the previous GJS season after realizing it's not such a great bonus in battle, but it's not okay for me to ask pretty much the same question well ahead of the first sunny day whether Typhoons will also be a problem for us. And that's because the Typhoon is better than the FW190s and because we're currently in a winning position?GottaLove88s wrote:Since you read the rules, you would have realised Mowby gets 190s, you get Typhoons.kingt wrote:You're saying all this as if we have a final ruleset that wasn't changed at all since the campaign started. When in fact this isn't the case. I have read them more then once, and still do, BEFORE asking questions.Nonetheless KT, read the rules BEFORE asking questions.
Not doing so is disrespectful also.
But I'm sure you realise this...
This would fulfil your definition (prefiled complaint?) of air superiority.
So there was no reason to attempt to push things further in your favour.
Brit air support will be Typhoons, as indicated, which are already tuned up to reflect their superior performance.KingT wrote:I was wondering whether we're playing with stock U.S. air support, or whether they'd be tuned up to reflect Allied Air superiority during the Normandy campaigns.
But let's quote my entire initial question:GottaLove88s wrote:To reflect KTs exact question...Brit air support will be Typhoons, as indicated, which are already tuned up to reflect their superior performance.KingT wrote:I was wondering whether we're playing with stock U.S. air support, or whether they'd be tuned up to reflect Allied Air superiority during the Normandy campaigns.
But if I'm not adequately addressing KingT's, "whether they'd be tuned up to reflect Allied air superiority", would KingT like to argue for additional superiority for his aircraft?
Mac, I'll leave this in your capable hands. Let me know how tuned up is required...
I wasn't demanding anything. I was asking how it works. We started with regular infantry and ended up with improved infantry. The same thing could happen to Air support, and if it were to happen, it should be clear before June 8 battles.I was wondering whether we're playing with stock U.S. air support, or whether they'd be tuned up to reflect Allied Air superiority during the Normandy campaigns.
I know in the previous GJS season you had disagreements about how in-game Air support worked when it comes to AA resistance and damage vs German tanks, so considering that from June 8 we'll have some clear days, I think both sides need to know whether we'll have custom planes or regular BA ones.
