Inferno: A Red Army Campaign - full release v 0.85

[flakfernrohr]

ANYTHING by Bebro is First Class and Top Notch. Certainly one of the best modders by a wide margin. That also goes for his characteristic of sharing, helping and giving freely without vanity and selfishness. Just classy. We have a saying about a person like this, we say he is "A Gentleman and a Scholar".

[bebro]

Thanks flak

Hey Bebro,

Any news on this?

Hi, I'm a bit slow these days, but scenarios until early '45 are mostly done now. There's a lot of secondary stuff to do still, like writing many briefings etc. Release will still take a while.

[guille1434]

Hi Bebro: I (and Flakfernrohr also) made an icon for the IS-3... Maybe you can find some use for it...

Best wishes!

[bebro]

Hey guille, very nice. I can't say whether I'll put it in though - you know I'm one of those "historical equipment" fanatics, and he did not see combat in Europe to my knowledge. But thanks anyway

Re mod, the (almost) full campaign is:

1941: Dubno - Uman - Kiev41 - Moscow
1942: Vyazma - Kharkov42 - Voronezh - Kalach - Operation Uranus- Operation Winterstorm
1943: Operation Zvezda - Kharkov43 - Kursk - Operation Rumyantsev - Kiev43 - Zhitomyr
1944: KamenetsPodolsky (aka Hube's Pocket) - Minsk (1st stage of Op.Bagration) - Operation Doppelkopf (German counteroffensive in the Baltics) - Baltic (Riga/Memel)
1945: Vistula-Oder offensive - Operation Solstice (German counterattack near Stettin) - Seelow Heights

Maybe a Berlin scn at the end, not sure yet.

From those in the list the biggest are Kursk, Bagration (Minsk) and the Vistula-Oder Op. There is some trigger probs I still have to iron out, and the mentioned stuff (briefings, polishing, testing) is still to do. I am not a the point yet to give an ETA.

[flakfernrohr]

Hi Bebro, I am looking forward to your efforts on this mod very much as I am fascinated by the Red Army and love anything on the Eastern Front. One thing that Panzer Corps seems to have ignored or not known is that the Soviet Forces ploughing into Czechoslovakia and Austria from the Southern Sector utilized a large segment of Lend Lease armor and equipment, in particular, Shermans. The Lake Balaton scenario is one example. I've even seen pictures of Red Army soldiers with Thompson sub-machineguns. And there were lots of lend lease tanks at Kursk that have been ignored in the game.

[bebro]

To be honest I also have no scns dealing with the Red Army's advance into Cze (or other east euro countries except Baltics and Poland) or Austria. I know it's an interesting subject that would make nice battles in PzC, but so far I limited myself to the main "Road to Berlin" simply to reduce workload.

[guille1434]

No, problem, just gave you a heads up... May be you just download and keep it handy for a future use... Congratulations for your current work in progress!

[valhain]

Hi Bebro, I am looking forward to your efforts on this mod very much as I am fascinated by the Red Army and love anything on the Eastern Front. One thing that Panzer Corps seems to have ignored or not known is that the Soviet Forces ploughing into Czechoslovakia and Austria from the Southern Sector utilized a large segment of Lend Lease armor and equipment, in particular, Shermans. The Lake Balaton scenario is one example. I've even seen pictures of Red Army soldiers with Thompson sub-machineguns. And there were lots of lend lease tanks at Kursk that have been ignored in the game.

Lots of Shermans in the 1945 Red Army? Probably not the place but can you provide a link for that?

[flakfernrohr]

As for the Sherman in the Red Army, I will make it brief since this is Bebro's thread and bit off the subject. Just about any book you pick up worthy of historical merit and research regarding the Red Army resurgence in the fall of 1943 in the Southern Sector (Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, etc) as they drove the Germans across Ukraine, the Donets, the Dnieper and back into Austria and Germany will reference tank brigades (many) being heavily equipped with Lend Lease equipment, specifically Shermans. They did NOT MIX tank types in brigades, at least with Shermans. The Russians did not get much armor from Britain at that point (Churchill's, Matilda's, etc.) as they greatly preferred the Sherman mostly for its mechanical reliability and NOT its survivability in battle with German armor and antitank weapons (as in Ronson Lighter effect-one strike to light up). They began getting lots of Shermans after Kursk (which of course is adjacent to Ukraine). They also used some against Japan in Mongolia and Manchuria when Russia finally declared war on Japan in mid 1945 shipping some Sherman equipped tank brigades to the Far East from what had been the Southern Front forces arriving in Berlin. Panzer Corps has forgotten, ignored or taken artistic liberty with this historical fact in regards to Southern Sector scenarios. There are few equals to Bebro when it comes to modding Panzer Corps, so perhaps in the future we will see some historically accurate Southern Front scenarios (at least I'm hoping).

Post script: And then there is lots of modding potential for the Red Army in the Far East fighting Japan. Japan had at least a million rested and fully equipped soldiers in the Manchuria sector.

[ThvN]

Lots of Shermans in the 1945 Red Army? Probably not the place but can you provide a link for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease ... tanks#USSR

http://www.questia.com/library/1476737/ ... -the-world (Read the synopsis)

[flakfernrohr]

Here is an excellent example of a 1/35 model of a typical Soviet Sherman.

[flakfernrohr]

Lots of Shermans in the 1945 Red Army? Probably not the place but can you provide a link for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease ... tanks#USSR

http://www.questia.com/library/1476737/ ... -the-world (Read the synopsis)

Yes, I have that book by the Soviet tank officer. Great original material.

[valhain]

Lots of Shermans in the 1945 Red Army? Probably not the place but can you provide a link for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease ... tanks#USSR

http://www.questia.com/library/1476737/ ... -the-world (Read the synopsis)

Yes, I have that book by the Soviet tank officer. Great original material.

A good book that might be, but it hardly proves your point. As to the other link to wiki... I can't see how 4000 Shermans (sent, not necessarily delivered) for the entire war makes you infer there were lots of Shermans in Czechoslovaquia and Austria in 1945.
Care to name a couple of books worth of historical merit (your words) that support your claim?

[flakfernrohr]

Not attempting to prove any point, just reciting facts. 4,000 tanks is a significant number if they are concentrated in front of you. Here are two more books for reference. "Sherman Medium Tank 1942-1945" by Steven Zalonga, and "On the Bloody Road to Berlin", edited by Duncan Rogers and Sarah Williams. I am not here to argue someone inclined to "troll". That being stated, I leave it with the readers of this thread to make their own conclusions.

[bebro]

I dunno about the issue, but when you guys don't establish what "lots of" means to each of you it's kinda difficult. Wiki mentions three corps sized formations using shermans as mainstay, that would be several tank regiments per corps if I'm not totally wrong. I have no idea how much that is in total, but it's probably more than just a handful. From those the 1st and 9th Guards Mech. did fight in Austria (Vienna offensive).

/my 2 cents

In the mean time I tease you with a pic

[nikivdd]

Very nice teaser

[bebro]

Thanks

[valhain]

Not attempting to prove any point, just reciting facts. 4,000 tanks is a significant number if they are concentrated in front of you. Here are two more books for reference. "Sherman Medium Tank 1942-1945" by Steven Zalonga, and "On the Bloody Road to Berlin", edited by Duncan Rogers and Sarah Williams. I am not here to argue someone inclined to "troll". That being stated, I leave it with the readers of this thread to make their own conclusions.

Who is trolling? I merely asked for some proof of what you posted, since it looked an exaggeration to me. That you are not trying to prove your point is clear now. 4,000 tanks for the entire war, ¿how can you claim them to be concentrated in front of you? Nobody is trolling. Get your facts right and don't go moaning when someone asks you to prove them.

[valhain]

I dunno about the issue, but when you guys don't establish what "lots of" means to each of you it's kinda difficult. Wiki mentions three corps sized formations using shermans as mainstay, that would be several tank regiments per corps if I'm not totally wrong. I have no idea how much that is in total, but it's probably more than just a handful. From those the 1st and 9th Guards Mech. did fight in Austria (Vienna offensive).

/my 2 cents

In the mean time I tease you with a pic

Fantastic pic, I can't wait to play it!

About the tank regiments, 1st Mechanized for example had 4. Strengths varied through 1943-45 (composition, battle casualties and tear and wear) but at most each regiment had some 35 medium tanks. That'd make roughly 140 Shermans per mechanized corps. So 280-300 for the two that fought in Austria is a best case scenario. Hardly "lots of" no matter how you define it.

[flakfernrohr]

Here is a web link with specific information. I agree with Bebro about the situation and it is unfortunate that speaking casually on the forum results in someone taking such strong issue with a moot issue used for historical scenario depiction. Ok valhain, it's a waste of time to use up Bebro's thread and beat a dead horse.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&start=15