PanzerGeneral,
A piece of advice and like I've said before this and 50-cents will buy you a cup of coffee.
Be careful with the Med fleet. The Italian fleet is weak but does have teeth. Don't risk the this fleet unnecessarily.
AAR – PanzerGeneral vs Supermax - war is over
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6. August 1940, Southern England under German control
The weather.
Supermax continues to advance in England. I have managed to salvage my motorized corps, perhaps I can manage to salvage my infantry corps as well. My last BB in England pulls back. The plan is to send it to the Mediterranean and assist the Royal navy of getting control of the seas quickly. The RAF receives repairs.
In the Mediterranean I group the Royal navy together in order to withstand an Italian naval attack. The Italian motorized corps receives some damage from my ships.
The weather.
Supermax continues to advance in England. I have managed to salvage my motorized corps, perhaps I can manage to salvage my infantry corps as well. My last BB in England pulls back. The plan is to send it to the Mediterranean and assist the Royal navy of getting control of the seas quickly. The RAF receives repairs.
In the Mediterranean I group the Royal navy together in order to withstand an Italian naval attack. The Italian motorized corps receives some damage from my ships.
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26. August 1940, England is being occupied
The weather.
The British scientists work overtime.
Supermax destroyed my infantry corps in England, sob. My motorized infantry corps is moving towards Glasgow to make a stand there (for the moment). I sail one of my RAF fighters to North Africa. It is escorted by my only British BB in the Atlantic.
In the Mediterranean the Royal navy continues to attack Italian ground forces. I have started to construct a defensive line in Egypt. I have moved the Malta fighter to assist with the defense.
The weather.
The British scientists work overtime.
Supermax destroyed my infantry corps in England, sob. My motorized infantry corps is moving towards Glasgow to make a stand there (for the moment). I sail one of my RAF fighters to North Africa. It is escorted by my only British BB in the Atlantic.
In the Mediterranean the Royal navy continues to attack Italian ground forces. I have started to construct a defensive line in Egypt. I have moved the Malta fighter to assist with the defense.
Well I geuss there may be allot of people who will disagree with me but here is my 2 cents.
Supermax has the momentum and is dictating the pace - he decides where he attacks and all you can do is wait. I follow the maxim from Napoleon "he who stays in his fortifications has already lost".
I think you should choose some area to disrupt his plans and force him to change is carefully laid out strategy.
My suggestion would be to push all remaining naval into the Med (as you have lost in the Atlantic already and the remaining battleship is of no use there). The only place where you can do something is in the med. Try something there to force him to react to you for a change.
It could serve a few purposes - weakening barbarossa, burining oil and allow for you to do some damage.
That said you also have to hold on to Canada - but all new troops will have to be placed in Canada anyway.
I think rather than go lik a lamb to the slaughter - show that this lamb has some teeth.
Anyway - on the counter side this could mean that you lose the whole med, to me the risk is worth it
Have fun, great AAR.
Supermax has the momentum and is dictating the pace - he decides where he attacks and all you can do is wait. I follow the maxim from Napoleon "he who stays in his fortifications has already lost".
I think you should choose some area to disrupt his plans and force him to change is carefully laid out strategy.
My suggestion would be to push all remaining naval into the Med (as you have lost in the Atlantic already and the remaining battleship is of no use there). The only place where you can do something is in the med. Try something there to force him to react to you for a change.
It could serve a few purposes - weakening barbarossa, burining oil and allow for you to do some damage.
That said you also have to hold on to Canada - but all new troops will have to be placed in Canada anyway.
I think rather than go lik a lamb to the slaughter - show that this lamb has some teeth.
Anyway - on the counter side this could mean that you lose the whole med, to me the risk is worth it
Have fun, great AAR.
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15. September 1940, Axis landings on the American continent!
Britain gets its first tech.
Supermax is very bold. He has started landing axis troops on the American continent! These landings take me completely by surprise. I have only one garrison placed in the port. The British are in serious trouble. If Supermax succeeds Britain will be out of the fight sometime in 1941! The Brits buy a garrison and an infantry corps with their PPs. The garrison is placed next to the sea port in order to prevent more landings.
I abandon all hope of defending England. Both RAF fighters are shipped towards Canada in order to protect the last British capital. The motorized corps will be shipped next turn.
In the Mediterranean the Royal navy sets sail towards the Suez Canal. Everything that can sail will be travel to Canada.
The American landing was an unpleasant surprise. I like the aggressive tactic Supermax has chosen if he manages to capture the last British capital the payoff will be huge. He will have an open road to the Middle East oil. America will be forced to fight on their own soil before attempting anything in Europe. Man I never saw it coming!
Britain gets its first tech.
Supermax is very bold. He has started landing axis troops on the American continent! These landings take me completely by surprise. I have only one garrison placed in the port. The British are in serious trouble. If Supermax succeeds Britain will be out of the fight sometime in 1941! The Brits buy a garrison and an infantry corps with their PPs. The garrison is placed next to the sea port in order to prevent more landings.
I abandon all hope of defending England. Both RAF fighters are shipped towards Canada in order to protect the last British capital. The motorized corps will be shipped next turn.
In the Mediterranean the Royal navy sets sail towards the Suez Canal. Everything that can sail will be travel to Canada.
The American landing was an unpleasant surprise. I like the aggressive tactic Supermax has chosen if he manages to capture the last British capital the payoff will be huge. He will have an open road to the Middle East oil. America will be forced to fight on their own soil before attempting anything in Europe. Man I never saw it coming!
My advice (which unlike Ronnie's requires an additional 95 cents to purchase a cup of coffee) is not to sprint everything back to Canada, but instead to rough him up in North Africa. You've got to figure that Canada will be lost by the time your transports make it to the coast, if they even manage to make it past a sub screen which supermax may or may not have set up anywhere across the Atlantic. So instead, spend all your PPs in Canada building up infantry and holding on as long as possible near Ottawa, and push for Tobruk in North Africa. Make him spend oil, time, PPs, and attention before he launches Barbarossa.PanzerGeneral wrote:15. September 1940, Axis landings on the American continent!
Britain gets its first tech.
Supermax is very bold. He has started landing axis troops on the American continent! These landings take me completely by surprise. I have only one garrison placed in the port. The British are in serious trouble. If Supermax succeeds Britain will be out of the fight sometime in 1941! The Brits buy a garrison and an infantry corps with their PPs. The garrison is placed next to the sea port in order to prevent more landings.
I abandon all hope of defending England. Both RAF fighters are shipped towards Canada in order to protect the last British capital. The motorized corps will be shipped next turn.
In the Mediterranean the Royal navy sets sail towards the Suez Canal. Everything that can sail will be travel to Canada.
The American landing was an unpleasant surprise. I like the aggressive tactic Supermax has chosen if he manages to capture the last British capital the payoff will be huge. He will have an open road to the Middle East oil. America will be forced to fight on their own soil before attempting anything in Europe. Man I never saw it coming!
If you can do all three of those in both Canada and North Africa, you can keep the UK in the game long enough for Barbarossa, and to build up a decent defense in the US. And remember, he's got to have a very low oil reserve for Barbarossa.
I'll give the caveat that my advice is based on experience playing vanilla CEAW on the Mac, not the BJR mod and certainly not GS. So weigh that in your plans. And good luck!
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Gotta agree with Clark, with all this sailing around the Axis must be nearing the bottom of the barrel, so the one place you can hurt him is by continue to deny access to oil. In that sense, holding Egypt as long as possible is as important as avoiding conquest of Canada. The defence is already in place in Egypt, so make the most of that and try to build Chuchill's last stand fortress of Ottawa! Winter is coming (in future GS updates Canada will probably see severe winter which would be of more help to you), I would try to get a infantry corps down to that river hex which can only be attacked from one hex. Then he will have to do another invasion or at least be slowed down a little bit there.
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5. October 1940, Germany declares war on Canada, Hungary joins the axis cause
The autumn weather is nice.
The defence of England, how long will it hold? The RAF starts to strategic bombard its own cities!
In North Africa the 8th army starts to advance towards Tobruk. I will follow some sound advice and start to inflict some damage in this theatre. It seems that Supermax is busy in England on the American continent. The Royal navy leaves a sub behind in the Mediterranean. The rest of the fleet has left.
Supermax has declared war on Canada and captures the Canadian port and destroys the DD in it. This sucks, but it will actually help me with landing my RAF fighters. Now I do not have to get to close to the Kriegsmarine further south. The transport and BB escort would not have stood a chance from aggressive naval attacks. The first RAF fighter is ready to land next turn. A new infantry corps is deployed in Ottawa.
How long will the British garrison hold out?
The autumn weather is nice.
The defence of England, how long will it hold? The RAF starts to strategic bombard its own cities!
In North Africa the 8th army starts to advance towards Tobruk. I will follow some sound advice and start to inflict some damage in this theatre. It seems that Supermax is busy in England on the American continent. The Royal navy leaves a sub behind in the Mediterranean. The rest of the fleet has left.
Supermax has declared war on Canada and captures the Canadian port and destroys the DD in it. This sucks, but it will actually help me with landing my RAF fighters. Now I do not have to get to close to the Kriegsmarine further south. The transport and BB escort would not have stood a chance from aggressive naval attacks. The first RAF fighter is ready to land next turn. A new infantry corps is deployed in Ottawa.
How long will the British garrison hold out?
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25. October 1940, Germany captures another port on the American continent, Rumania joins the axis cause
The autumn weather is still nice. Arrghh, what will I need to sacrifice in order to get the computer weather gods on my side? A goat
The British scientists work overtime.
The motorized corps in Glasgow sets sail for Canada. It runs into a uboat, but suffer only slight damage. My strategic bomber damages the uboat which only have 3 steps left.
In North Africa the 8th army continues to advance towards Tobruk. The Royal navy should be in the Atlantic next turn after sailing around Africa.
Supermax has captured the last British port on the American continent. I and Supermax have spotted what appears to be a game glitch/bug. This turn I received a convoy! I see that there are other convoys that are headed towards the last port. What will happen to them? We will find out in a couple of turns.
The Wehrmacht panzer is heading towards Ottawa. The Brits deploy a garrison around the last British capital. A RAF fighter lands in northern Canada.
I spot a German CV that Supermax has built. His uboats and BB have received some damage. Perhaps my Royal navy can sink the lot and kick him out of Canada?
The autumn weather is still nice. Arrghh, what will I need to sacrifice in order to get the computer weather gods on my side? A goat
The British scientists work overtime.
The motorized corps in Glasgow sets sail for Canada. It runs into a uboat, but suffer only slight damage. My strategic bomber damages the uboat which only have 3 steps left.
In North Africa the 8th army continues to advance towards Tobruk. The Royal navy should be in the Atlantic next turn after sailing around Africa.
Supermax has captured the last British port on the American continent. I and Supermax have spotted what appears to be a game glitch/bug. This turn I received a convoy! I see that there are other convoys that are headed towards the last port. What will happen to them? We will find out in a couple of turns.
The Wehrmacht panzer is heading towards Ottawa. The Brits deploy a garrison around the last British capital. A RAF fighter lands in northern Canada.
I spot a German CV that Supermax has built. His uboats and BB have received some damage. Perhaps my Royal navy can sink the lot and kick him out of Canada?
PanzerGeneral, First off I want to congratulate you for being a good sport and playing on. Even though the odds right now are really stacked against you to win, you still have a chance and that chance is Russia. But, you need to keep Britain in the war.PanzerGeneral wrote:I and Supermax have spotted what appears to be a game glitch/bug. This turn I received a convoy! I see that there are other convoys that are headed towards the last port. What will happen to them? We will find out in a couple of turns.
To answer your question on the convoys, Borger discovered a bug where the UK convoys will continue to go to Halifax even though it's axis controlled. This brings up an interesting situation for both you and Supermax. He'll still need to interdict them with air and naval units if he wants to stop them. This is further complicated when Russia enters because the of the Murmansk convoy. So I think your decision to move the RN to the Atlantic is a good one. You can fight the axis navy off the east coast of Canada with two objectives: (1) to dilute any axis attempt to capture Ottawa and (2) protect UK convoys.
Also, I agree that every PP you have should go to build ground units for the defense of Ottawa.
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I have a "problem", I always fight to the bitter endrkr1958 wrote:PanzerGeneral, First off I want to congratulate you for being a good sport and playing on. Even though the odds right now are really stacked against you to win, you still have a chance and that chance is Russia. But, you need to keep Britain in the war.
To answer your question on the convoys, Borger discovered a bug where the UK convoys will continue to go to Halifax even though it's axis controlled. This brings up an interesting situation for both you and Supermax. He'll still need to interdict them with air and naval units if he wants to stop them. This is further complicated when Russia enters because the of the Murmansk convoy. So I think your decision to move the RN to the Atlantic is a good one. You can fight the axis navy off the east coast of Canada with two objectives: (1) to dilute any axis attempt to capture Ottawa and (2) protect UK convoys.
Also, I agree that every PP you have should go to build ground units for the defense of Ottawa.
. Even though things are looking very grim, it still is fun to play. This game is quite different from most other CEAW games as I have lost England and are fighting for survival in Canada in 1940!This war will be very interesting. For Britain the war is over. The plan is to save their last capital and become a supporting force for the US. The upcoming battle in the Atlantic should suck out some more oil from the axis war machine and hopefully sink most of the Kriegsmarine and cut off the axis forces that have landed.
Russia is now my only hope for defeating the axis.
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14. November 1940, Germany advances into Canada
Finally the muddy season has started.
The British scientists produce some results.
Britain received 38 PPs convoy through Halifax this turn. I will pretend that it landed on US soil and the PPs were transported to the Brits
Right now I need all the help I can get.
I buy another garrison which is deployed near Ottawa and buy another infantry corps. The RAF fighter is also deployed next to Ottawa. One of my garrisons will head south and try to block the narrow passage before the panzer korps get there.
The motorized transport convoy is reduced to 7 steps by uboat attacks, it moves deep into the Atlantic to escape the uboat. The strategic bomber attacks the uboat expecting results, but alas no damage on the uboat. Edinburgh is ready to fall to the axis war machine.
The Kriegsmarine attacks my RAF transport convoy. It has only 3 steps left and manages to get to the shores of Canada. I want to save my precious fighter. I move in my BB and attack the German DD, which receives heavy damage. Hopefully Supermax will concentrate on attacking my BB and leave my two unescorted troop convoys alone.
The Royal navy has assembled in the south of the Atlantic. In the midst is an infantry troop transport. The plan is to retake Halifax with the support of the Royal navy.
In North Africa the 8th army will soon make contact with the Italian defenders. The plan is to bypass Tobruk and destroy the Italian units that are not in any ports.
Finally the muddy season has started.
The British scientists produce some results.
Britain received 38 PPs convoy through Halifax this turn. I will pretend that it landed on US soil and the PPs were transported to the Brits
Right now I need all the help I can get.I buy another garrison which is deployed near Ottawa and buy another infantry corps. The RAF fighter is also deployed next to Ottawa. One of my garrisons will head south and try to block the narrow passage before the panzer korps get there.
The motorized transport convoy is reduced to 7 steps by uboat attacks, it moves deep into the Atlantic to escape the uboat. The strategic bomber attacks the uboat expecting results, but alas no damage on the uboat. Edinburgh is ready to fall to the axis war machine.
The Kriegsmarine attacks my RAF transport convoy. It has only 3 steps left and manages to get to the shores of Canada. I want to save my precious fighter. I move in my BB and attack the German DD, which receives heavy damage. Hopefully Supermax will concentrate on attacking my BB and leave my two unescorted troop convoys alone.
The Royal navy has assembled in the south of the Atlantic. In the midst is an infantry troop transport. The plan is to retake Halifax with the support of the Royal navy.
In North Africa the 8th army will soon make contact with the Italian defenders. The plan is to bypass Tobruk and destroy the Italian units that are not in any ports.
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4. December 1940, Kriegsmarine sinks troops transport
Winter arrives in the north.
The British scientists produce some more results.
In Canada both garrisons are headed south. A new infantry corps is deployed next to Ottawa.
Supermax did not go for my juicy BB bait instead he found me RAF troop transport and sunk it
. This means a change of plans as I suspect him of covering the Canadian coast. The BB and motorized troop transport will head south and link up with the rest of the Royal navy.
Not much resistance left in England.
In North Africa the 8th army makes an attack. An Italian garrison perish in the heavy battles. The garrison next to it will be the next victim to be destroyed.
Winter arrives in the north.
The British scientists produce some more results.
In Canada both garrisons are headed south. A new infantry corps is deployed next to Ottawa.
Supermax did not go for my juicy BB bait instead he found me RAF troop transport and sunk it
. This means a change of plans as I suspect him of covering the Canadian coast. The BB and motorized troop transport will head south and link up with the rest of the Royal navy.Not much resistance left in England.
In North Africa the 8th army makes an attack. An Italian garrison perish in the heavy battles. The garrison next to it will be the next victim to be destroyed.
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24. December 1940, The Italians get offensive in North Africa
Winter continues.
The US scientists work overtime.
The French partisan digs in.
Supermax sure is taking his time occupying the rest of Britain. Only a single infantry korps is spotted to move towards Glasgow. In retrospect it would perhaps been wise to ship my strategic bomber to Canada to participate in the offensive against the Kriegsmarine. There are no escorts left, and I don’t dare lose this valuable unit (yet). It will stay in Britain and harass the German occupiers.
In North Africa the Italians are trying to launch a bold amphibious assault behind my lines. Luckily there are several infantry units in the vicinity that have struggled to keep up with the mechanized units. My infantry and RAF clog up the intended landing area for Supermax. I suspect the fleet will move to another area. As long as they burn some oil I am happy
Another Italian garrison perish after mechanized attacks.
The two garrisons race south, it will be a close race for clogging up the entry point for the panzer korps. The RAF is redeployed along the coast to spot enemy activity. It spots two axis air units on an island.
The remnants of the Royal navy and two troop transports have assembled south of Canada. I see that Supermax has two units in the Halifax area (maybe more). It is nice of him not to occupy everything as I can spy with my little eye the enemy movements. I also spot that his panzer grenadiers are heading north.
To be honest I am a bit unsure about the next course of action for my Royal navy. Should I land now, or wait until Supermax makes contact my army further north before putting the pressure on him?
Winter continues.
The US scientists work overtime.
The French partisan digs in.
Supermax sure is taking his time occupying the rest of Britain. Only a single infantry korps is spotted to move towards Glasgow. In retrospect it would perhaps been wise to ship my strategic bomber to Canada to participate in the offensive against the Kriegsmarine. There are no escorts left, and I don’t dare lose this valuable unit (yet). It will stay in Britain and harass the German occupiers.
In North Africa the Italians are trying to launch a bold amphibious assault behind my lines. Luckily there are several infantry units in the vicinity that have struggled to keep up with the mechanized units. My infantry and RAF clog up the intended landing area for Supermax. I suspect the fleet will move to another area. As long as they burn some oil I am happy
Another Italian garrison perish after mechanized attacks.
The two garrisons race south, it will be a close race for clogging up the entry point for the panzer korps. The RAF is redeployed along the coast to spot enemy activity. It spots two axis air units on an island.
The remnants of the Royal navy and two troop transports have assembled south of Canada. I see that Supermax has two units in the Halifax area (maybe more). It is nice of him not to occupy everything as I can spy with my little eye the enemy movements. I also spot that his panzer grenadiers are heading north.
To be honest I am a bit unsure about the next course of action for my Royal navy. Should I land now, or wait until Supermax makes contact my army further north before putting the pressure on him?
PanzerGeneral,
One thing that's troubling me somewhat is that in Supermax's AAR he's posted that he believes that someone in this AAR tipped you off to his actions; especially, his attempt to outflank you in North Africa with his planned amphibious invasion into Egypt. In reading both AARs I feel that all 3rd party observers (i.e., myself and others) have played it straight and have not given away any details to either side based on the other side's AAR.
It might be productive if you could alleviate Supermax's fears of any tip offs to his plans. I really enjoy reading both AARs and both sides thoughts on evolving strategies. I might be naive but I believe all involved (you, supermax and 3rd party observes) have conducted themselves with integrity.
One thing that's troubling me somewhat is that in Supermax's AAR he's posted that he believes that someone in this AAR tipped you off to his actions; especially, his attempt to outflank you in North Africa with his planned amphibious invasion into Egypt. In reading both AARs I feel that all 3rd party observers (i.e., myself and others) have played it straight and have not given away any details to either side based on the other side's AAR.
It might be productive if you could alleviate Supermax's fears of any tip offs to his plans. I really enjoy reading both AARs and both sides thoughts on evolving strategies. I might be naive but I believe all involved (you, supermax and 3rd party observes) have conducted themselves with integrity.
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I believe that when supermax goes back to compare AARs after the game is over, his concerns will be alleviated. PG posted a turn a full 48 minutes before supermax's plans for Egypt were revealed, and PG's post already showed infantry in place to receive them.rkr1958 wrote:PanzerGeneral,
One thing that's troubling me somewhat is that in Supermax's AAR he's posted that he believes that someone in this AAR tipped you off to his actions; especially, his attempt to outflank you in North Africa with his planned amphibious invasion into Egypt. In reading both AARs I feel that all 3rd party observers (i.e., myself and others) have played it straight and have not given away any details to either side based on the other side's AAR.
It might be productive if you cost alleviate Supermax's fears of any tip offs to his plans. I really enjoy reading both AARs and both sides thoughts on evolving strategies. I might be naive but I believe all involved (you, supermax and 3rd party observes) have conducted themselves with integrity.