Modern Conflicts 2.15 (RELEASED)

[Estherr]

I didn't get the "version" remark

Oh, my bad. Well, some sources say, that blueprints for this plane were "acquired" by Israeli intelligence after the French embargo.

ps: Vulcans! Now that's the sexy ones! =)

[uzbek2012]

You have very beautiful Units !


https://diletant.media/articles/28988868/
https://forums.airbase.ru/2012/07/t8583 ... ereya.html
http://union.4bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=305&p=7
https://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtop ... 805#p20448

It should be noted that the Soviet Union was also indirectly involved in that war. Recall that at that time, relations with Argentina in the USSR were ambiguous. The military junta of this Latin American country was openly anti-Communist. At the same time, it was the Argentines who refused to join the us boycott of agricultural exports to the Soviet Union in 1980 and began selling large quantities of wheat and meat. The Soviet-Argentine trade turnover reached its peak in the early 80's — almost 3 billion. Therefore, the USSR abstained in the vote of resolution No. 502 in the UN Security Council, calling on the parties to resolve the dispute through negotiations and withdraw the Argentine troops from the Islands.


In addition, the USSR decided to take advantage of the war and collect as much data as possible about the weapons of great Britain, at that time a potential enemy. This was a unique case when, as at a car show, you could see in detail all the military equipment and understand what the British fleet is capable of. Recall that the British sent 136 ships and vessels to the area of combat operations, including 2 aircraft carriers "Hermes" and "Insvincible", 11 destroyers, 27 frigates, 3 submarines, 1 diesel SUBMARINE, 6 tank-landing ships, 2 landing helicopter docks, 48 transports and auxiliary vessels and 36 tankers. The ships carried up to 9,000 paratroopers, about 70 vertical take-off aircraft and over 80 helicopters.

Throughout the war, Soviet long-range reconnaissance aircraft based at Conakry (Guinea) and Luanda (Angola) airfields monitored British ships heading for the Islands without approaching the archipelago. The Navy command wanted to conduct a more detailed reconnaissance using Tu-95RTS target designator aircraft, but did not dare, fearing attacks from the British.

It is still debated whether the British intended to use nuclear weapons in the conflict. It was assumed that nuclear ammunition was even on the sunken destroyer "Sheffield". It was only in 2003 that the UK confirmed that nuclear weapons were on Board its ships in 1982. Thus, Soviet military intelligence was able to assess the actions of the British nuclear forces.

The activity of the Soviet side irritated the British, who spread statements about the involvement of the USSR in the conflict. Some of the British also assumed that information received after Soviet aircraft overflown their ships heading to the conflict area was also transmitted to the Argentines. Ten years later, the information was confirmed by a senior Russian foreign Ministry official who wished to remain anonymous.

But it should be noted that the Soviet Union's military assistance to Argentina is being questioned, because there is still no officially confirmed data. There are only indirect ones: for example, the Argentines had complete intelligence about the location of British ships, although they did not have enough funds to extract them. Some experts believe that if intelligence was transmitted, it was not at the initiative of the government, but at the level of the military. In any case, the Argentine army managed to inflict serious damage to the British fleet, which at that time had an overwhelming advantage: two frigates and destroyers, a container ship, a landing ship and a landing boat were sunk.

But in the West, the influence of the Soviet Union on this conflict was taken very seriously. Even the option of possible intervention in the conflict of the USSR was considered. According to British intelligence, Moscow was ready to provide Argentina with warships, planes and missiles in exchange for grain supplies.

Western media claimed that the Soviet satellites Kosmos 1345 and Kosmos 1346, launched on March 31, 1982, track the movements of the British fleet and transmit intelligence to the Argentine command via Cuba

Source: https://versia.ru/v-folklendskoj-vojne- ... ine-za-edu

[Akkula]

HMS Invincible
HMS Sheffield
HMS Hermes

[guille1434]

Hello Akkula!

Nice icons for an eventual Malvinas/Falkland scenario or campaign...

May be an special icon of the Invinvible carrier with some fire and smoke on it??

Greetings and stay safe!

[Akkula]

Hello Akkula!

Nice icons for an eventual Malvinas/Falkland scenario or campaign...

May be an special icon of the Invinvible carrier with some fire and smoke on it??

Greetings and stay safe!

Hi my friend. Yes, the Malvinas scenario will come, I made up my mind. I think a campaign is too much right now, but a big scenario would offer many strategies and challegnes.
And why not?, I could make a smoking/damaged Invincible . Could be a background later in the battle if player fufill its destruction.
I am finishing the details of this first batch of the "Malvinas icons pack", I will post some pics of them in a couple of hours.

Best regards,
Akkula.

[guille1434]

Nice to hear from you and your South Atlantic Conflict project! Congratulations!

[Akkula]

Thanks!, but is more like an small update for Modern Conflicts.
But I like that name for the scenario!

[Akkula]

First batch of new units finished:

Still a LOT of units remain to be done . I hope I can bring new stuff tomorrow.

[guille1434]

If recreating the battle for Malvinas, the Exocet MM-38 ITB (instalación de Tiro Berreta) should be present...

[Akkula]

Yes!. I was definitely going to make the Exocet land-based platform.
Beautiful icon Guille!
Thanks a lot!

PS: I am amazed about your speed

[guille1434]

In fact... Parts of that icon were conveniently stored in my huge "pending icons" folder, where I can find nearly everything! Hehe...
I am glad you like it, and I hope you find it useful!!

[uzbek2012]

[quote]
[b]But almost no one knows that the soldiers of our Soviet construction battalion fought heroically against British paratroopers during the Falklands war in 1982.

In 1982, a Soviet construction battalion was sent to the Falkland Islands at port Stanley to extend the concrete runway. It was at this time that the Islands were invaded by British troops who disputed control of these territories with Argentina.

According to a participant in those events, Soviet soldiers mined all approaches to the airfield, armed themselves with captured weapons and for three days withstood a siege by British paratroopers.

The airfield was a strategic object, it should have been occupied by the British in the first place.

The first to land was a group of angian paratroopers, in three helicopters, who were all destroyed with shovels, picks and crowbars. After all, the soldiers of the stroybat did not have personal weapons.

Armed with captured weapons and entrenched, stroybatovtsy repulsed on the first day 4 more attacks of the British landing force. Three days our held the airfield, the British suffered the greatest ground losses of their units there.

Only thanks to Moscow's intervention, the local military conflict was stopped – Soviet soldiers were ordered to lay down their weapons and evacuated to Cuba.

After all, the joke about stroybat was not born in a bare place:

Two CIA generals communicate, one says to the other

- you heard the Russians have created new troops, in General animals..

- special forces called?

-what special forces, stroybat, such animals that they do not even give out weapons-they kill with their hands![/b][][/quote]
https://maxpark.com/community/14/content/5343959

[Akkula]

Thats a lot of subs!:

Submarines from the classes Churchill, Valiant, Oberon and Switfsure reach the South Atlantic. Alongside Type 21 and 22 frigates.

[Akkula]

But the Argentinian Navy deploys anti-sub recon aircrafts: P2 Neptunes

And the old sub ARA Santa Fe and destroyer.

[McGuba]

Haha, I am so happy that it looks like you finally decided to do this! As far as I remember I suggested this project a few years ago, in one of our first PMs when you started modding PzC. I read a lot about this war, it is strange that only a very few mods or games deal with it, despite it was perhaps the only full scale combined arms conflict since ww2. In the end, I think is was quite a close call for the UK, closer than many would think, there could have been a very different outcome had the fuses of the Argentinean bombs worked properly. Which makes it a perfect candidate for a well balanced scenario. Coincidentally, a few weeks ago I tried again the Malvinas mod for Open General, but was not very satisfied, it was more like a missed opportunity due to the poor units stats, historical inaccuracies and overall design flaws. Hopefully, here you will do a great job with this.

The units of course look great and I think you have already made many of them. Some others may be recycled from the Modern Conflicts mod. I can' wait to see the Pucara and the choppers, though.

As far as I understand you are planning to make one big scenario, I hope it will be possible to play it in multiplayer as well. If so I hope the map will be big enough, but not too big, either. I guess it should include the main islands, the surrounding seas and some Argeninean air fields at the edge of the map in an area that is inaccessible to the British. There might be some problems with the game mechanics, though. For example there should be a few Argeninean airfields on the islands which can be used by the Pucaras and choppers, but not by the jet aircraft. Not sure how it could be realized.

[Akkula]

As far as I remember I suggested this project a few years ago, in one of our first PMs when you started modding PzC.

I remember that very well . At that time it was a distant option for me, I was overwhelmed with my works with Soviet Storm and the build up of Modern Conflict. I am happy I can finally can dare to do it.

I read a lot about this war, it is strange that only a very few mods or games deal with it

Maybe because of two main reasons:
1- It was a victory for the British, but a very costly one at thousands of km from their country, nothing to do with the WW2 situation. Maybe they do not like to talk about it?. And...
2- My country is not famed to have a gaming and modding community big enough to cover these sort of stuff.

I think is was quite a close call for the UK, closer than many would think, there could have been a very different outcome had the fuses of the Argentinean bombs worked properly.

Indeed. After the war, the whole world had to rethink the air defence strategy and technology for their ships. The Argentinian air strategy changed the board forever.

Coincidentally, a few weeks ago I tried again the Malvinas mod for Open General, but was not very satisfied, it was more like a missed opportunity due to the poor units stats, historical inaccuracies and overall design flaws. Hopefully, here you will do a great job with this.

Thats my aim. Although PzC engine is quite limited for this scenario, I think I can make a decent scenario with a nice balance between realism and a window to try different strategies.
I hope not to dissapoint.

The units of course look great and I think you have already made many of them. Some others may be recycled from the Modern Conflicts mod. I can' wait to see the Pucara and the choppers, though.

You ask, you have it:

As far as I understand you are planning to make one big scenario, I hope it will be possible to play it in multiplayer as well. If so I hope the map will be big enough, but not too big, either. I guess it should include the main islands, the surrounding seas and some Argeninean air fields at the edge of the map in an area that is inaccessible to the British. There might be some problems with the game mechanics, though. For example there should be a few Argeninean airfields on the islands which can be used by the Pucaras and choppers, but not by the jet aircraft. Not sure how it could be realized.

For sure it is going to be a big scenario, but not as huge as your Battlefield Europe or my Great Patriotic War.
And yes, so far I want to make it able to be played either as Argentina or UK, singleplayer and multiplayer.
Regarding the air bases logistics I have some ideas in my mind . They will play a KEY role as it was in real life.
Thanks a lot for your words and comments McGuba.

PS: Some logistics units. Handley Page Victor tanker for the British and a KC-130 Hercules for Argentina:

Also you can notice a Boeing 737-200 to transfer men from the continent into the islands.

[Estherr]

Now wait a second... are we getting aerial refueling? o_O

[uzbek2012]

Well, when to wait for the mod update ?
https://en.topwar.ru/92189-neraskrytye- ... voyny.html

[Akkula]

Now wait a second... are we getting aerial refueling? o_O

Sure!, it is a must.

Well, when to wait for the mod update ?
https://en.topwar.ru/92189-neraskrytye- ... voyny.html

Interesting article.
Although some info was already known by many (i.e. the British knowing about the invasion before it took place, the invasion being a pretext by the dictatorship to gain the people favor, etc), the article features some interesting insights. Sad it has no sources (I checked the original link, but still nothing). Still it is a nice read. Thanks.

[uzbek2012]

Now wait a second... are we getting aerial refueling? o_O

Sure!, it is a must.

Well, when to wait for the mod update ?
https://en.topwar.ru/92189-neraskrytye- ... voyny.html

Interesting article.
Although some info was already known by many (i.e. the British knowing about the invasion before it took place, the invasion being a pretext by the dictatorship to gain the people favor, etc), the article features some interesting insights. Sad it has no sources (I checked the original link, but still nothing). Still it is a nice read. Thanks.

There are a lot of stories from the Soviet construction site to penguins that have increased their population )))

During the 1982 military conflict, Argentine troops mined a large part of the Falkland Islands. Despite active clearance, more than 100 minefields remain, mostly in the vicinity of the administrative center of the Islands, the city of Stanley. On these mined areas and settled penguins-with their small weight (the largest, the Emperor penguin weighs up to 46 kg) mines do not pose a danger. And thanks to mines, people are not dangerous either. So the consequences of the war guaranteed the birds a peaceful life. The Falkland Islands are now home to about 3,000 people and more than 1 million penguins.

In 1982, a Soviet construction battalion (stroybat, VSO) was sent to the Falkland Islands at port Stanley to extend the concrete runway. It was at this time that the Islands were invaded by British troops who disputed control of these territories with Argentina.

According to a participant in those events, Soviet soldiers mined all approaches to the airfield, armed themselves with captured weapons, and for three days withstood a siege by the British military. Only thanks to Moscow's intervention, the local military conflict was stopped – Soviet soldiers were ordered to lay down their weapons.

Rather, this story is connected with the history of the landing of Americans on Grenada, where the Cuban military worked at the local airfield, and who provided a strong resistance to the American landing. Legally, the Falkland Islands were the territory of great Britain before the beginning of the conflict and the Soviet troops well, by definition, could not be there.

https://zen.yandex.com/media/spetsnaz/s ... 00ad4c8f8e
https://www.drive2.com/c/656327/