How not to play as the Axis - Massina vs Crazygunner

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Re: Turn 26

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rkr1958 wrote:
massina_nz wrote:Axis advance slowly towards the Nile – the next turn two TACs can fly in. So do I target the RN so I can even get more TACs in NA? It will make the campaign easier, but will take longer. However the RN weak-point is that they now only have three ports in the Med. So I think I will keep the Regia Marina handy as a deterrent against the RN getting active and focus on the land based UK troops, first blunting his ARM & MECH units to reduce their effectiveness for any counter-attacks, then I will pound the front line troops and destroy them. It's not like I have a hordes of Axis troops to feed into the Fray, I need to keep all my troops intact. My biggest advantage I now have in this thearte is the 3 TACS I can place, that will quickly maul the UK forces.
Personally, I'd target the RN. Ships are much more expensive for the allies to repair and / or replace. Also, for every RN ship you sink in the Med means less ships available for convoy or transport escort in the Atlantic. If you can cripple the RN then your subs and the KM can rule the Atlantic and force the allies to invest a lot of PP's in strategic bombers and more naval units to regain it back. Thus, significantly setting back his invasion of Europe.

Given the small size of your land forces in Libya/Egypt it doesn't look to me that you have the strength to really take the canal; especially now that it looks like two transports are headed to reinforce Egypt. In fact, I'd wager that CG is bringing in the RN in an attempt to counterattack and take North Africa. Beware of a flanking invasion, which could put your entire ground force that's just advance into Egypt in jeopardy.
Thanks for the advice. Yes I'm still a little torn between attacking the RN or taking out the canal. My initial rationale was based on seeing all those GARs in France, which led me to believe that the defence of the canal would be weaker than normal. Taking Cyprus, would have seriously compromised the The British in Egypt as I could have based the whole Luftwaffe in the eastern Med. Taking Malta was the next best thing.

Yes my forces in the Desert aren't really that strong, but I still believe that having 3 TACs in the theatre should still give me a significant advantage. I'll wait to see if more RN elements are sent to the Med and be wary of an invasion through the back door. Best I build an Italian sub and base it in the Western Med to spot such a ploy.
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Turn 28

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Iraqi garrison sent to Cyprus, good for me since I’m not interested in the island anymore.

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I attack the British Tank unit and I don’t do much damage to it, but get excellent air combat results, inflicitng six step losses for one to the Luftwaffe. I don't think the UK economy will like replacing these kinds of losses - confirmed in my opponents next email
The british don´t have economy for this....that is unfair....not much happening
I Puchase an ARM & Kluge, to add to the two ARMs I purchased last turn
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Turn 30

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RN moves into the Med in force, but they are vulnerable as they only have three ports in the vicinity. The ARM unit that was damaged last turn has retreated from the second line

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I get some reasonable air combat again 4 step losses inflicted vs 2 received. I am now out numbered in FTRs (3) vs FTRs/CVs (4). My Axis forces advance and now wait on the final MECh unit before attacking the 8th Army lines.
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Turn 31

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My luftwaffe take heavy losses in Allied counter-attack

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I realise that there is no way I'll punch through to the Nile. The grand dream is already over. So I execute a six-of-one-and-half-a-dozen-of-another tactic. And bomb a BB whilst retreating a little with my ground forces. I couldn't retreat much further because I used the Italian FTR to fly CAP. Next turn I'll probably just retreat full-speed back to Tobruk. At least there I'll had the advantage of terrain on my side.

Italy buys a naval lab, I'm hoping I won't need to produce any Italian subs in the near future. So I'd rather invet in tech now.
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Re: Turn 28

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massina_nz wrote: I don't think the UK economy will like replacing these kinds of losses - confirmed in my opponents next email
The british don´t have economy for this....that is unfair....not much happening
I like the, "that is unfair" part. Do you think this is for real or is he baiting you in order to delay and / or weaken Barbarossa by keeping you more involved in North Africa than you intended?
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Re: Turn 28

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rkr1958 wrote:
massina_nz wrote: I don't think the UK economy will like replacing these kinds of losses - confirmed in my opponents next email
The british don´t have economy for this....that is unfair....not much happening
I like the, "that is unfair" part. Do you think this is for real or is he baiting you in order to delay and / or weaken Barbarossa by keeping you more involved in North Africa than you intended?
It could be baiting. It has a high probability of being true given all the transport costs the UK have been paying thru the game so far. The UK economy isn't that strong it can keep repairing ships and planes every turn. But regardless it didn't affect my decisions, I pressed on with North Africa until I realised that without Cyprus I don't have enough CAP to force the Nile, so I'm better to retreat to Tobruk where his CVs are at a disadvantage. I'll keep my TACs in North Africa as they can harass the RN there. It weakens my Barbarossa a little but I've never had such a strong force in NA before, neither have I faced an Atlantic Ocean deviod of the RN, it will be interesting.

I still think the wierdest message my opponent sent me was "go for Sealion" then he landed a GAR in France the next turn.
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Re: Turn 28

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massina_nz wrote:I still think the wierdest message my opponent sent me was "go for Sealion" then he landed a GAR in France the next turn.
I guess there's a reason he calls himself "Crazygunner". :D
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Turn 32 - the dream turns into a nightmare

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My buck-each-way tactic last turn was my eventual undoing. I really needed to retreat at full speed last turn, but instead I diddled around. The 8th Army launches into gear and destroys a MECH and a FTR.

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So I sacrifice two Italian INFs so the DAK can escape. I also send the TACs away en-route to Russia. They are now no longer of any use here as I don't have any semblance of air parity, so they may as well go to Russia and be of assistance there.
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Turn 33

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A lone transport blunders into one of my u-boats, where did that come from? With two u-boat attacks I'm able to sink it.

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The DAK only just survives the onslaught. Will it survive the next turn?

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Barbarossa is set to go next turn, but probably one of my weakest so far. My PPs are so low due to only conquering France and Holland and nothing else. It frees up some Axis minor units but seriously dimishes my productive capacity.

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Turn 34

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Even the MECH just survives, and only just.

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I don't think the MECH will survive, but the panzer might just as it's out of range of the CVs.

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With only 109 PPs a turn there's only so much force the Germans can muster. Look on the bright side my manpower is at 95%
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Turn 35

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Hopefully I can get the Finnish corp out of the Karelin peninsula - as I expect my opponent to get aggressive in Finland shortly due to lack of pressure on other fronts - which also means sending another German INF corp to Finland as well, two is not enough.

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My opponent seems to think I've done well so far in Barbarossa - I beg to differ - normally at this stage I would have also taken Chisenau, Riga and Minsk as well. Also several front-line Russian units have evaded my ZOCs, which bodes poorly for 1942. I'm setting myself the underwhelming target of reaching the Dneiper and hopefully taking the Crimea.

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Libya stabilises somehwat, but it won't last long due to over-whelming UK air superiority. If I hadn't sent the whole regular Italian army to Libya, I'd be in real trouble here.

I'm getting very pessimistic about this game already, if I avoid the humiliation of an Ultimate Allied victory I'll be happy.
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Post by gchristie »

"I'm getting very pessimistic about this game already, if I avoid the humiliation of an Ultimate Allied victory I'll be happy."

I know this place, I've been there repeatedly, though I keep coming back for more and each game I get a little better playing as the Germans - though I'm not as strong a player as you are. Win or lose, I learn something every game I play, and I'm learning from your AAR, so thanks.

Keep your chin up, the fortunes of war have a way of shifting when you least expect it . :wink:
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart."
~Anne Frank
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Post by massina_nz »

gchristie wrote:"I'm getting very pessimistic about this game already, if I avoid the humiliation of an Ultimate Allied victory I'll be happy."

I know this place, I've been there repeatedly, though I keep coming back for more and each game I get a little better playing as the Germans - though I'm not as strong a player as you are. Win or lose, I learn something every game I play, and I'm learning from your AAR, so thanks.

Keep your chin up, the fortunes of war have a way of shifting when you least expect it . :wink:
Indeed I will still play to the end. It's jsut that as the Axis you can afford to make some small mistakes and still win, but not monumental stuff-ups like I did. I still have one cunning ploy for the end of 1941 that I'll keep under my hat for the time-being.

This is one of the few games I've played where I've got aggessive early in NA, normally I'm defensive. If I had played my normal game-plan then I would be in a way stronger position. But I've played that so many times I got bored of it. Given this failiure I'm being to think I'm a 1-trick-pony when it comes to playing the Axis.

Thanks for the support.
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Turn 36

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Riga and Minsk taken, and have extricated Finnish corp (sometimes it gets stuck there), and I railed Panzer from Vilna to AGS. Also isolated the 3 GARs in Baltic states. I might not even proceed any further in the north and stay out of the SW zone, instead focusing on the south. I really need to keep my front line as short as possible.

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Chisenau & Odessa prove tough nuts to crack and oh look the Russians are on the Dniper – now normally I would go yay, because that’s where I would want them with my normal Barbarossa force, but this time I'm completely indifferent because I know I'll be stopping there. – Not sure if my opponent normally defends at the Dneiper, or has surmised, correctly that my force is weak. So hopefully the Crimea is less well defended.

It's a shame really because I love it when the Russians defend this far forward, because you can normally up their casualties towards the 5M mark before the 1942 campaign without putting your Axis troops in much danger. But that's not to be in this game.

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Massed UK airpower proves too much and the Italian airforce scatters, otherwise they'll turn into an enormous pip drain. And oops I left the FTR unit in range of the RAF, it'll be stomped on next turn. It may be wiser just to leave the italains to their fate and withdraw the DAK as fast as I can.
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Turn 37

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I decide to leave the Italians to their fate, as the DAK departs for Tripoli

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Pretty quiet in the North as the Soviet defense line is spotted on the Dvina, I decide to pull back to the Baltic states to avoid the Severe Winter penalty.

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I’m hoping the Soviets can’t see too much of dispostions in the south, as I may have a good chance of taking Sevastapol next turn, not having to screen the Crimea will help shorten my defensive line. Hmm.... 3 Tank units on the Dnieper, looks like a strong soviet winter offensive is in the wind. I wonder if I should base my FTRS in non-SW zone so they can still provide air cover during the winter.
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Post by massina_nz »

Wow! Just got my next turn back from my opponent, he has completely crushed my forces in Southern Russia in one fell swoop! Absolutely brilliant counter-stroke, all kudos to him.

Since this pretty much neuters the Axis and will result in me just going through the motions of defending a short-lived 3rd Reich I've decided to discontinue the AAR (but not the game) as I se no further benefits in documenting how an understrength Axis is crushed by an overwhelming Allied force in 1942. You'll be able to read about it in my opponents AAR anyway.

In summary I hope I've shown (but not intended) on how quickly the mistakes of an Axis player can snowball. Once Paris fell I made some horrendus strategic mistakes by ignoring Sealion and chasing after the Middle-East Oil on a flimsy pretext of a GAR missing from Cyprus. Also ignoring Norway, Denmark, Yugoslavia & Greece dimished by PP pool so I wasn't able to build a substantial Barbarossa, presumably emboldening the Soviets.

Thanks for reading the AAR. BTW I'm predicting capitulation in December 1942.
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