Scale and Basing

[rbodleyscott]

The current draft has the following section:

Using troops based for other systems

As long as the correct base widths are adhered to, it is OK to use troops based for other rules systems. This may require a certain amount of ingenuity. For example:
 Single-based figures can be ???blue-tacked??? on to temporary Field of Glory width bases.
 Less figures per base can be used when the figures or single bases they are on are too large to fit the normal number on a Field of Glory base.
 Bases depths can be larger than standard when the figures or single bases they are on are too large to fit the standard Field of Glory base depths.
 Some bases from some systems may need to be placed side by side and treated as two bases one behind the other.

If both players have troops based to the same system, any basing system can be used as long as all bases are the same width.

I would like the rules to include basing for 1/72 plastic figures too. Seeing as these are only now getting popular the rules may have some flexibility to how they could be based compared to 15mm/25mm metal figures.

Personally, I would base these up on the standard 25mm base sizes. Most of us old-timers started wargaming with Airfix 1/72 figures based as 25mm. I still have some that I converted and painted in 1971. I still use them occasionally.

[youngr]

Personally, I would base these up on the standard 25mm base sizes. Most of us old-timers started wargaming with Airfix 1/72 figures based as 25mm. I still have some that I converted and painted in 1971. I still use them occasionally.[/quote]

Excellent stuff - I'll get cracking on those Assyrians I bought recently then.

Unfortunately I lost my Airfix Romans about 1971. They are waiting to be discovered by some future archaeologist in a tip outside Pontypool!

Cheers

Richard

[shall]

I can feel the sound or treasure hunters rushing to Pontypool already.....

Si

[youngr]

[malekithau]

I was going to mention 1/72 myself. Glad to see it will be addressed. I have friends who are keen to build new armies using the HAT and other plastic ranges. They're not bad at all. Not keen on painting them though.

John

[expendablecinc]

I am currently putting together an arab/Turk 15mm army and have a truckload of daylami arriving any time soon. Would you recommend I base them on 20mm or 15mm depth bases. Looking at TNE there is a case for them to be heavy foot (blade in dbm terms) but currently classed as medium foot (auxillia).

Anthony

[rbodleyscott]

I am currently putting together an arab/Turk 15mm army and have a truckload of daylami arriving any time soon. Would you recommend I base them on 20mm or 15mm depth bases. Looking at TNE there is a case for them to be heavy foot (blade in dbm terms) but currently classed as medium foot (auxillia).

Anthony

20mm.

There is a contemporary description (Agathias) that makes them clearly Medium Foot.

"One could hardly describe them as light armed troops, nor for that matter
as the type of heavy infantry that fight exclusively at close quarters.
For they both discharge missiles at a distance when the occasion arises
and engage in hand to hand fighting, and are expert at charging an enemy
phalanx and breaking its close-knit ranks with the weight of their charge.
They can reform their own ranks with ease and adapt them selves to any
contingency. Even steep hills they run up without difficulty ..."

(I suspect that even in DBM they would be Blade (F) and hence on 20mm deep bases).

We classify them as:

Medium Foot, Superior or Average, Protected or Armoured, Drilled, Impact Foot, Swordsmen.

I can assure you that they are very effective indeed.

[Klairuhnz]

Having only just found this site and signing on. It's going to take me a few late nights to catch up with the developments on this system. What I have seen so far looks promising. With reguards to basing of a heavy foot element, a 20mm deep base would be good as getting 4 figures on a 15mm deep base can be tricky at times.

[expendablecinc]

limiting to 20m depth bases would likely make the gaem prohibitive for many but I cant see anyone preventing you from doing it as it will only hinder movement if nothing else. The issue with fitting 15mm figs onto bases should more be leveled at figure manufacturers who have increasingly increased figure size as it give much greater potential to make an attractive/dynamic miniature (the newer xyston releases being a case in point). If mirliton can produce quality and proportion in 15mm the other sshoudl learn from this or pay the proce in market share.

[shall]

The rules are not that base depth sensitive. So if it has to be 20mm deep in basing it will only be a minor hindrance. Base width is more important and even then as long as both sides are the same it can work.

The rules are not so micro mechanical, and as a result there is some flex on such things without the mechanisms being compormised.

Hope that helps and that you enjoy catching up on the comments

Si

[Redpossum]

Sorry, backing up about a page and a half here, but...

So, you nice folks have defined an element for me. Now, what's the difference between "element" and "stand" ?

[malekithau]

Sorry, backing up about a page and a half here, but...

So, you nice folks have defined an element for me. Now, what's the difference between "element" and "stand" ?

Same thing really. Element is more of a WRG hangover term. The actual term in FOG is base. So there you have it. Element = stand = base. X bases equal a Battlegroup.

John O

[shall]

As Hydrogen is an element, we only just resisted the temptation to call batttlegroups "compounds".

Justkidding.

"Bases" seems to do the trick nicely - it is after all what they are. We have tried to keep the language as natural as we can throughout.

Si

[Teech]

"Most of us old-timers started wargaming with Airfix 1/72 figures based as 25mm. "

Yep, and some of us are going right back there too. Have you seen the stuff you can get now? The Zvesda and Italeri gear is really arty and beats the metal 28mm big 'eeds n' 'ands brigade hands down imho.

Glad to hear the rules acknowledge 1/72 plastics (which are more 25mm than 20mm). A pal of mine is a playtester so I'll have to get a game in with him soon.

Good luck.