Panzer Corps 2: Axis Operations - 1939 || Dev Diary # 1

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Re: Panzer Corps 2: Axis Operations - 1939 || Dev Diary # 1

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Introduction: Well... I see that there is much uncertainty about this 'Saar-Operation'... so therefore… I am now going to throw some 'Gasoline' onto the smoldering flames to get some action going!.

Saar Offensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offe ... er%201939.
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Disposition of French forces
The Saar Offensive was a French ground invasion of Saarland, Germany, during the early stages of World War II, from 7 to 16 September 1939. The plans called for roughly 40 divisions, including one armored division, three mechanised divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions to assist Poland, which was then under invasion... by attacking Germany's understrength western front.
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Picture Description: Luftwaffe bombers over Poland; Schleswig-Holstein attacking the Westerplatte; Danzig Police destroying the Polish border post; German tank and armored car formation; German and Soviet troops shaking hands; Bombing of Warsaw.

Resume'... Objective of the offensive
According to the Franco-Polish military convention, the French Army was to start preparations for the major offensive three days after mobilization started. The French forces were to effectively gain control over the area between the French border and the Siegfried Line and were to probe the German defenses.
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The Siegfried Line featured more than 18,000 bunkers, tunnels and tank traps.
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[Tank Traps] Dragon's teeth near Aachen, Germany, part of the Siegfried Line.

A French offensive in the Rhine valley began on 7 September, four days after France declared war on Germany. The Wehrmacht was engaged in the attack on Poland and the French enjoyed a decisive numerical advantage along the border with Germany.

Aftermath
The Polish Army general plan for defense, Plan West, assumed that the allied offensive on the Western Front would provide a significant relief to the Polish front in the East

[Plan West] Plan Zachód (Plan West) was a military plan of the Polish Army of the Second Polish Republic, for defence against invasion from Nazi Germany. It was designed in the late 1930s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_West

After the German annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia and changes of borders, Polish planners revised the plan with the expectation that a main thrust would originate from Silesia through Piotrków and Łódź towards Warsaw and Kraków.[3] The Polish planners correctly predicted the direction of most German thrusts, with one crucial exception: they assigned low priority to a possible deep, flanking, eastward push from Prussia and Slovakia, but that push was assigned high priority in the German plan (Fall Weiss).

The plan assumed that Polish forces would be able to hold for several months but would be pushed back by the German numerical and technical superiority, which was estimated to be two or three to one.[1][2] Then, the Western Allies (France and the United Kingdom), obliged by the Franco-Polish Military Alliance and the Polish-British Common Defence Pact), would launch an offensive from the west, which would draw enough German forces away from the east to allow Polish forces to launch a counteroffensive.

Concluding Statement "Das-Finale-Verdict!!!":
At the Nuremberg Trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[11] "General Siegfried Westphal" stated that if the French had attacked in full force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks.
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Jodl in 1940
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Re: Panzer Corps 2: Axis Operations - 1939 || Dev Diary # 1

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Funny thing about Saar Offensive is that it's not really unknown... just in more recent years it's been very overlooked whenever anyone covers WW2.

I have a WW2 encyclopedia that covers Saar Offensive, which is there the 'Orenthal' location name comes from. I usually find it's better to trust old printed sources on WW2 topics than some modern day digital sources. Especially when it comes to geography and location names, heh. :)
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Kerensky wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:14 pm Funny thing about Saar Offensive is that it's not really unknown... just in more recent years it's been very overlooked whenever anyone covers WW2.

I have a WW2 encyclopedia that covers Saar Offensive, which is there the 'Orenthal' location name comes from. I usually find it's better to trust old printed sources on WW2 topics than some modern day digital sources. Especially when it comes to geography and location names, heh. :)
"Zealous-Applaudations!!!" to you "Kerensky"… for your diligent-service in being a 'Sticker' for precise accurate information and details. So!... as the 'Romans' used to say in a somewhat similar manner... "Hail-Kerensky-Maximus!!!".
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Retributarr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:30 pm
"Zealous-Applaudations!!!" to you "Kerensky"… for your diligent-service in being a 'Sticker' for precise accurate information and details. So!... as the 'Romans' used to say in a somewhat similar manner... "Hail-Kerensky-Maximus!!!".
Nah truth be told I only do it because I have been chastised many, many times for inaccuracies from using modern day Earth images (google maps is just so convenient!) instead of historical ones which don't always sync up 75 years later...

So whenever possible, I go to historical references first now, but I still utilize modern tools too. :)
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Kerensky wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:34 pm
Retributarr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:30 pm
"Zealous-Applaudations!!!" to you "Kerensky"… for your diligent-service in being a 'Sticker' for precise accurate information and details. So!... as the 'Romans' used to say in a somewhat similar manner... "Hail-Kerensky-Maximus!!!".
Nah truth be told I only do it because I have been chastised many, many times for inaccuracies from using modern day Earth images (google maps is just so convenient!) instead of historical ones which don't always sync up 75 years later...

So whenever possible, I go to historical references first now, but I still utilize modern tools too. :)
You mean like, "Hey! Why did you place city tiles in hexes x, y, and z!? Back in 1940, those areas were still farmland!"

Geeesh! And I thought I was a stickler for historical accuracy...
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adiekmann wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:50 pm
Kerensky wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:34 pm
Retributarr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:30 pm
"Zealous-Applaudations!!!" to you "Kerensky"… for your diligent-service in being a 'Sticker' for precise accurate information and details. So!... as the 'Romans' used to say in a somewhat similar manner... "Hail-Kerensky-Maximus!!!".
"Kerensky post":_ Nah truth be told I only do it because I have been chastised many, many times for inaccuracies from using modern day Earth images (google maps is just so convenient!) instead of historical ones which don't always sync up 75 years later...

So whenever possible, I go to historical references first now, but I still utilize modern tools too. :)
"adiekmann post":_ You mean like, "Hey! Why did you place city tiles in hexes x, y, and z!? Back in 1940, those areas were still farmland!"

Geeesh! And I thought I was a stickler for historical accuracy...
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Retributarr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:01 pm
At the Nuremberg Trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[11] "General Siegfried Westphal" stated that if the French had attacked in full force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks.


In another thread a guy noted , and rhetorically asked why , seemingly 90% of WW II " What - If's " seem to revolve around Hitler , the Nazis , and Germany.

I'm sure there are several reasons.

But I suspect the above provides a hint of one reason.

That is , kicking the loser never seems to be particularly problematical , even when it basically amounts to beating a horse that is already dead.

But peeing on the Prom Queen is always a problem , no matter how ambivalent or trivial the criticism , but certainly so when the criticism is damning.

Anyway , this Axis commander is actually worried about this Saar offensive business , given what the historical realities probably were.

Maybe I should stay in Spain ?
:shock: :lol:
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KesaAnna wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 pm
Retributarr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:01 pm
At the Nuremberg Trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[11] "General Siegfried Westphal" stated that if the French had attacked in full force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks.


In another thread a guy noted , and rhetorically asked why , seemingly 90% of WW II " What - If's " seem to revolve around Hitler , the Nazis , and Germany.

:shock: :lol:


Allied "What ifs...?"

They never had/decoded Enigma (The Ultra Secret)?/The US never cracked Japanese codes?
Had Stalin not formed a pack with Hitler before the invasion of Poland?
If Britain and the United States not cut off oil supplies to the Empire of Japan?
If the victors of WW1 had truly written a peace treaty that ended the Great War with 'no victors' as President Wilson suggested?
If at any point prior to 1939 Britain and France had stood up to Hitler and backed it up with military force?
If a (weak and dying) President Roosevelt wasn't representing the US during the meetings at Yalta, Potsdam, etc and took a stronger stance against Stalin regarding the shape of Europe after the fall of Nazi Germany? (I guess that's more of a Cold War "What if...?")

Any others beyond Saar Offensive and those I already thought of?
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Why didn't France attack Germany in 1939?:

YouTube Video... Poland and Saar Offensive:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Yo ... &FORM=VIRE
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at what time will the AO1939 download be enabled? today is August 20 ...
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GUNDOBALDO08 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:27 am at what time will the AO1939 download be enabled? today is August 20 ...
My thoughts exactly!
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DLC 1939 is released in Steam. But I can't find new achievemnts. Is it bug?
Panzer Corps 2 is the most ahistorical game in the history of WW2 games
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