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Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sat May 14, 2011 12:02 am

Seems not all the air units have sounds still.

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sat May 14, 2011 4:33 am

When I press C to view casualties, the box that pops up has never shown me anything, but comes up as some sort of white display glitch.

I always assumed this was work in progress, but perhaps it's just an error on my machine?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Sat May 14, 2011 4:36 am

Confirmed as work in progress. It's on The List... somewhere lol

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sat May 14, 2011 11:43 am

I am confused as to what is happening here.

An enemy scout moved into my air-port, but the airport did not change ownership?

Furthermore, it seems my level bomber is strategic bombing my own airport?

I guess it's a graphics glitch perhaps?

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sun May 15, 2011 4:36 am

One thing I'm noticing this version is when I move the cursor to the side of the screen, I often have to re-tap it more than once to get the engine to recognize I want to scroll that way.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Sun May 15, 2011 4:49 am

Units that are forced to retreat on to cities and airfields do not capture the hex they occupy until it is that player's turn. I assume that's how the scout 'moved' to where it is.

As for your second post.
73. Map scrolling is un-smooth , jerky, and frustrating, (Unsolved)

I noticed it too, and it really annoys the heck out of me.

OmegaMan1 · Post by **OmegaMan1** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:28 am

Same here with the scrolling issues. I though my mouse was acting up lol. For me it seemed to get worse the longer I played.

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:42 am

Russian Conscripts are 15 strength!

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:52 am

Razz1 wrote:Russian Conscripts are 15 strength!

This is by design.

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:57 am

I think this makes them over powered.

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:59 am

I don't think you remember PG-III or Peoples General very well then

In Peoples-G, ALL communist units started out with a base strength of 15 by default right out of the purchase menu. It was an inherent trait.

In PG-III, I liked how they balanced out the infantry. The conscripts has much higher PIPS (strength), however the actual POWER of each pip was reduced in comparison to other brand of infantry.

So, you can chose a unit that has more power in principle, but is at more risk of being eliminated, or vica-versa.

I thought the infantry were done very well, but I didn't quite like how they removed so many pips from the Tigers & Kings in comparison to the Panthers IIRC.

skarczew · Post by **skarczew** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:30 pm

Rudankort wrote:
Razz1 wrote:Russian Conscripts are 15 strength!
This is by design.

Now make it with T-26 (Barbarossa time), T-34 (from around 1942, or even later).

apanzerfan · Post by **apanzerfan** » Mon May 16, 2011 8:05 pm

I accidentally switched to window mode (i dunno how lol), and now I cannot switch back. I even tried the alt+enter combination, it does not work either.

Am I lame or is it a bug?

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Tue May 17, 2011 3:26 pm

I can not get chat to work in PBEM.
Control C Alt C shift C
Nothing works. I have to wait until the end of my turn.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Tue May 17, 2011 3:29 pm

Razz1 wrote:I can not get chat to work in PBEM.
Control C Alt C shift C
Nothing works. I have to wait until the end of my turn.

Indeed, right now the only point when you can enter message is end of the turn.

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Wed May 18, 2011 12:11 pm

Not really a bug, but the movement-overlay is not very good (recognitionally) when the scenario shows winter snow. That white on white needs to be either shaded another color, or have some sort of hex-borders or something.

OmegaMan1 · Post by **OmegaMan1** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:32 pm

Transport issue: when upgrading to a newer model, units lose their transport unless you click on the transport as you upgrade. Seems redundant to have to do this, since obviously one does not intend to dump transports while upgrading (and if you don't do this, you lose the transports and will have to pay for them again later on).

wino · Post by **wino** » Wed May 18, 2011 7:42 pm

New bug, found in PGF that is duplicated in PzC. Not found by me. See link below:
http://panzercentral.com/forum/viewtopi ... 29#p675391

Quotation from dandare post :

I found a bug too: malfuction of the dice roll. If I start a new campaign/scenario and I repeat the same mouvement (battle between one of my units with an enemy one) the result (casualities for each side) is different every time, as it should be. BUT if I save and reload before that battle, the result doesn't change anymore - I repeated 200 times the same attack/strike and the result is the same (very far away from the prognosis, in my desadvantage).
Why?

You can easily confirm this in Poland scenario with GE infantry at 6,16 attacking PL infantry at 8,17.
Reproduce:
1. Start Poland
2. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
3. observe outcome
4. quit to menu
5. repeat 1-4 = each time new outcome

but:
1. Start Poland
2. Save game
3. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
4. observe outcome
5. quit to menu
6. load Poland
7. repeat 3-6 = each time SAME outcome = BUG

There is a second bug here : saving changes visibility of enemy units.
To reproduce:
1. Start Poland, do not move any units,
2. PL infantry at 8,17 Katowice is visible
3. Save game, quit to menu
4. Load game
5. PL infantry at 8,17 is not visible = bug

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Wed May 18, 2011 7:56 pm

wino wrote: You can easily confirm this in Poland scenario with GE infantry at 6,16 attacking PL infantry at 8,17.
Reproduce:
1. Start Poland
2. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
3. observe outcome
4. quit to menu
5. repeat 1-4 = each time new outcome

but:
1. Start Poland
2. Save game
3. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
4. observe outcome
5. quit to menu
6. load Poland
7. repeat 3-6 = each time SAME outcome = BUG

This is by design. You cannot reload and repeat the same action until you get a favorable outcome - you will get the same all the time. This reduces your options to cheat a little bit, although of course a lot of room for it still remains.

wino wrote: There is a second bug here : saving changes visibility of enemy units.
To reproduce:
1. Start Poland, do not move any units,
2. PL infantry at 8,17 Katowice is visible
3. Save game, quit to menu
4. Load game
5. PL infantry at 8,17 is not visible = bug

Hmm, can't repro. Do you have that saved game still? I would like to investigate this.

PS. When you start Poland from scratch, you sometimes don't see that infantry in case there is bad weather on the first turn (which reduces spotting). But when you reload a saved game, the weather should of course restore to its saved state.

wino · Post by **wino** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:19 pm

Rudankort wrote:
wino wrote: You can easily confirm this in Poland scenario with GE infantry at 6,16 attacking PL infantry at 8,17.
Reproduce:
1. Start Poland
2. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
3. observe outcome
4. quit to menu
5. repeat 1-4 = each time new outcome

but:
1. Start Poland
2. Save game
3. attack using GE inf from 6,16 PL infantry at 8,17
4. observe outcome
5. quit to menu
6. load Poland
7. repeat 3-6 = each time SAME outcome = BUG
This is by design. You cannot reload and repeat the same action until you get a favorable outcome - you will get the same all the time. This reduces your options to cheat a little bit, although of course a lot of room for it still remains.

This makes sense in multiplayer games only. Cheating is thus not possible. But in player vs AI games this is not important and may be considered as bug.
I wonder how this design decision can be exploited in multiplayer game ? Any ideas ?

Got one:
First fight 2 not important battles then one important - try all permutations. Sometimes it is possible, especially using aircraft. When you know that each time RNG will be seeded with the same value this could be possible to find optimal outcome of the important attack.

No problem in deleting this post when I broke some rules here

Rudankort wrote:
wino wrote: There is a second bug here : saving changes visibility of enemy units.
To reproduce:
1. Start Poland, do not move any units,
2. PL infantry at 8,17 Katowice is visible
3. Save game, quit to menu
4. Load game
5. PL infantry at 8,17 is not visible = bug
Hmm, can't repro. Do you have that saved game still? I would like to investigate this.

PS. When you start Poland from scratch, you sometimes don't see that infantry in case there is bad weather on the first turn (which reduces spotting). But when you reload a saved game, the weather should of course restore to its saved state.

Send. Let me know that you got them, if not I will put them on somewhere.

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