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[GraftMalt]

I am in

(i) Indo Greek 175 BC - 10 AD with Indian 500 BC - 319 AD allies
(ii) Thracian (Getae) 279 BC - 46 AD with Greek 227-146 BC allies
(iii) Germanic Foot Tribes 105 BC - 259 AD with Gallic 300-101 BC allies

[Fudwuppel]

I would like to enter.

Roman 280 - 220 BC

You do need to pick 2 more armies in case you can't use your first choice.
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Here you are.

Roman 280 - 220 BC
Carthaginian Hannibal in Italy 216-203bc
Parthian 250bc-250ad

[SpeedyCM]

Sign me up, armies to follow.

Army Selection

1. Pyrrhic 280-275 with Samnite allies
2. Roman 105-25 with Numidian or Moor allies
3. Thracian 460-357 with Greek(mercenary) allies

[Questar17]

Hi, i'm in:

1) Latin Greece 1205-1311 AD feat allies Seljuq Turkish (West) 1155-1307 AD;
2) Aragonese 1200-1274 AD feat allies Castilian/ Leonese 1200-1319 AD;
3) Rus 1155-1264 AD feat allies Hungarian 1200- 1319 AD

cheers

[Questar17]

Hi, i'm in

1. Antigonid 320-301 BC;
2.Gallic 300-101BC feat allies Umbrian 490-260 BC.
3. Carthaginian (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC;


cheers

[ericdoman1]

Cheers guys

[ericdoman1]

Cheers guys

[tyronec]

Just having a look at these rankings, I would query the formula you have used to integrate the Tournament results with the DL ratings.
To take an example, El_Tomato is rated at 9, presumably based on his excellent results in the Tournaments. However that rates him ahead of many very experienced players and am not sure if he has played any of them. DL rankings are based on generally many games against 'similar' skilled players while Tournament results may be just a few games against fairly random opponents.
Would suggest that if players don't have a DL rating then their Tournament ranking should reflect the opponents they have played. This is not to say that El_Tomato isn't a very good player, just that it hasn't been proven yet.

[Karvon]

The data we drew on is five seasons of Slitherine official tournaments and the last two seasons of Digital League results. After considerable discussion, we, the five coordinators, decided on the following. For players with rankings in both, we calculated a score based on 60% DL and 40% SL. For players only ranking in one of the two, we took that ranking directly. In a few cases, the coordinators voted to raise or lower a player's placement based on recommendations from the team. It not a perfect ranking system, but will suffice until we have a few seasons of TDC data to rely in its place.

regards,

Karvon

[El_Tomato]

I've got really interesting rating ))))
I didn't play DL at all and I don't have good results in official slitherine tournaments (besides last two tournaments).

[tyronec]

The data we drew on is five seasons of Slitherine official tournaments and the last two seasons of Digital League results. After considerable discussion, we, the five coordinators, decided on the following. For players with rankings in both, we calculated a score based on 60% DL and 40% SL. For players only ranking in one of the two, we took that ranking directly. In a few cases, the coordinators voted to raise or lower a player's placement based on recommendations from the team. It not a perfect ranking system, but will suffice until we have a few seasons of TDC data to rely in its place.

The issue is that the SL rating that you are using takes little account of the players opponents. To use those results it would be best to look at each battle and give a rating according to the opponent. So take the DL rating of the opponent (or a nominal rating if they have not played DL) and give them say double that score for a win, equal for a draw and 0 for a loss. Average their scores out and that would make the two competition ratings moderately compatible.

[ericdoman1]

I included the Slitherine rating, just as another source of gauging a player's ability. It is based on playing at least 10 games in the last 5, 5 round Slitherine tournaments. It is very basic 10 pts for 1st place, 9.9 for 2nd etc to 0.1 for 100th place. Ideally we could work out a more accurate points rating based on your suggestion but that would consist of a 1000 games or possibly more. What nominal rating would you give somebody who hadn't played in DL or in any SL tournaments? I personally think in most cases it is reasonably accurate and even more so when we included Mark's idea of DL score x 0.6 + SL x 0.4.

I believe that Slitherine themselves are working on an ELO rating, quite possibly just for their tournaments

El_Tomato I/we gave you 9 points based on your position in the Swords and Scimitars tournament. Your 3rd spot in the last tournament helped a little and of course you beat me in a game a while back. Just out of curiosity what rating would you give yourself. TyroneC what DL nominal rating would you give El_Tomato? I'd probably make it from 4 to 6. I suppose that is something that we, the TDC coordinators can agree on. We are all experienced enough to give a reasonably accurate DL or SL rating if needs be?

Similarly Changdao as well.

We will look into this further?

[Changdao]

I included the Slitherine rating, just as another source of gauging a player's ability. It is based on playing at least 10 games in the last 5, 5 round Slitherine tournaments. It is very basic 10 pts for 1st place, 9.9 for 2nd etc to 0.1 for 100th place. Ideally we could work out a more accurate points rating based on your suggestion but that would consist of a 1000 games or possibly more. What nominal rating would you give somebody who hadn't played in DL or in any SL tournaments? I personally think in most cases it is reasonably accurate and even more so when we included Mark's idea of DL score x 0.6 + SL x 0.4.

I believe that Slitherine themselves are working on an ELO rating, quite possibly just for their tournaments

El_Tomato I/we gave you 9 points based on your position in the Swords and Scimitars tournament. Your 3rd spot in the last tournament helped a little and of course you beat me in a game a while back. Just out of curiosity what rating would you give yourself. TyroneC what DL nominal rating would you give El_Tomato? I'd probably make it from 4 to 6. I suppose that is something that we, the TDC coordinators can agree on. We are all experienced enough to give a reasonably accurate DL or SL rating if needs be?

Similarly Changdao as well.

We will look into this further?

I guess that I didn't do too bad in the last tournaments, but besides those I have no DL experience and haven't played that much more MP either. Ultimately it is your call and I trust your judgement, but probably being ranked 7th in player rating is a tad too high. 4 or 5 points would be more accurate I think, but I suppose that anyway it would get adjusted with data from this league's season.

[tyronec]

I included the Slitherine rating, just as another source of gauging a player's ability. It is based on playing at least 10 games in the last 5, 5 round Slitherine tournaments. It is very basic 10 pts for 1st place, 9.9 for 2nd etc to 0.1 for 100th place. Ideally we could work out a more accurate points rating based on your suggestion but that would consist of a 1000 games or possibly more. What nominal rating would you give somebody who hadn't played in DL or in any SL tournaments? I personally think in most cases it is reasonably accurate and even more so when we included Mark's idea of DL score x 0.6 + SL x 0.4.

I believe that Slitherine themselves are working on an ELO rating, quite possibly just for their tournaments

El_Tomato I/we gave you 9 points based on your position in the Swords and Scimitars tournament. Your 3rd spot in the last tournament helped a little and of course you beat me in a game a while back. Just out of curiosity what rating would you give yourself. TyroneC what DL nominal rating would you give El_Tomato? I'd probably make it from 4 to 6. I suppose that is something that we, the TDC coordinators can agree on. We are all experienced enough to give a reasonably accurate DL or SL rating if needs be?

Similarly Changdao as well.

We will look into this further?

As you have asked this is how I would do it, appreciate your being willing to look at it.
If someone has a DL rating then use that, at least for Season 1.
If someone doesn't have a DL rating then look at their competition games against other players. Use the SL or maybe other competitions if they have not played in that. Rate them for each game they have played according to their opponent, so 2X for a win, 1X for a draw and 0 for a loss. If their opponent doesn't have a DL rating or it is below 1 then use 1.
So for example if a player had played 10 games against you, won one, drawn one, lost 8 that would give them a ration of:
(1 x 2 x 7.56 + 1 x 7.56 = 8 x 0)/10 = 2.3.
If they have played 10 games against unrated players and won them all it would be 10 x 2 x 1/10 = 2 which is probably a low rating but I think that is appropriate for someone who is new to league play.
This means that you only have to calculate ratings for a few players, and you could ask THEM to present the list of games that they have played if they don't want to go into the lowest division.
Plus there is nothing subjective about it, I would not want to be rating players if at all possible.

While Slitherine may come up with a rating system I think probably a system that the players come up with is going to be more meaningful. I cannot see how there could be an automated system that would be better than what the DL has given us. I don't know if we could create a rating system across the various competitions, something like what pantherboy is going to use and then feeding results from other competition into it, there are complications with the different scoring systems.

[El_Tomato]

El_Tomato I/we gave you 9 points based on your position in the Swords and Scimitars tournament. Your 3rd spot in the last tournament helped a little and of course you beat me in a game a while back. Just out of curiosity what rating would you give yourself. TyroneC what DL nominal rating would you give El_Tomato? I'd probably make it from 4 to 6. I suppose that is something that we, the TDC coordinators can agree on. We are all experienced enough to give a reasonably accurate DL or SL rating if needs be?

I am very flattered by this figure. But two tournaments on the SLITHERINE system are too few for such serious conlusion (my results in other tournaments are noticeably more modest). Such big rating for a beginner can irritate other participants. I expected to see myself in the middle of the table. But now my conceit has risen to 6 points)))

[Blagrot]

I'm signing up too with

Carthage (Hannibal in Africa 202BC)
Roman 105-25 BC with Numidian or Moorish 55 BC-6 AD allies
Assyrian 681-609 BC with Median 836-627BC allies

Thanks

[Blagrot]

I'm signing up too

Arab, City 300-633 AD with Sassanid Persian 591-628 AD allies
Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes 260-492 AD with Dacian (Carpi) 107-380 AD allies
Roman 379-424 AD with Alan 25-650 AD allies

Thanks

[Blagrot]

I'm signing up here too with

German (Imperial) 1200-1329 AD with Free Canton 1200-1319 Allies
Danish 1200-1319 AD with Baltic Tribes 1050-1283 AD Allies
Crusader 1155-1291 AD with Byzantine 1155-1204 AD Allies

Thanks

[ericdoman1]

Hi Guys

We have decided to keep to our original rankings, this had been already agreed upon.

We had discussed this in great detail before and so it will not be changed and apologies to my fellow co-ordinators for doing so.

We will be including our own ELO rating at the end of the season and will use that in the future for rankings.

Thanks very much for your enquiries.

All the best

TDC

[ericdoman1]

Love to sign up for this. Army choices as follows.

1. Visigoths 419-621 w Byzantine allies
2. Ostrogoths 493-561 w German Foot Tribe allies
3. Lombards 568-9

I'm actually playing Lombards in the mirror league. Am I allowed to choose them here? If not, I'll pick another army.

Rgds

M.

Hi

You can use any army within the time period in all TDC divisions.
"Players cannot use the same army list, variant army or allies in the same period the following season. Nor can they use the same army list in a different period the following season. However they can use a "variant" army or allies in a different period the following season". - Rule 2 TDC
Spoilt for choice:)

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