Supermax-Moriss restart (Game stopped)

Cybvep · Post by **Cybvep** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:25 pm

The main problem with Morris is that he doesn't want to EXPLAIN his exploits so we can fix them. He's a beta tester and fails to see the main reason why he is that. If he doesn't give us the ideas behind his strategy we can't fix what he means is broken. All he says is that we have to play against him to find out for ourselves. That simply takes too long time.

WTF?!?!?! This is unbelievable. He knows some exploits and DO NOT want to tell you what they are O_____________O. One would think that the players want their game to be as bug-free and as balanced as possible...

Peter Stauffenberg · Post by **Peter Stauffenberg** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 pm

He claims it takes too much of his time to write an explanation and he feels he doesn't feel he speaks English well enough to explain. I think he expresses himself quite well. He has time to start game after game. Go figure.

I believe he wants to keep the exploits to himself so nobody can beat him. He claims otherwise, but surely doesnt help us telling HOW he manages to get huge number of units despite horrible losses. We can only guess and we can't fix what we cant see.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:54 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:Do you think you have a chance to move towards the Iraqi oilfields once you've cleared Egypt? Closing the Suez means you don't have to garrison cities in the Med except in occupied territory. That should help you.

I can't understand how Morris allowed to lose Egypt. If he had kept the British 8th army in Egypt then he would never have lost Egypt. I think that Morris probably underestimated you because he's so used to people getting on the defense when he's pushing with his Allies the way he does.

Is main strategy is to push and keep pressure so that is what he is doing on all fronts, pretty sure that he didn´t calculate Max cutting his supply.

Cybvep · Post by **Cybvep** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:He claims it takes too much of his time to write an explanation and he feels he doesn't feel he speaks English well enough to explain. I think he expresses himself quite well. He has time to start game after game. Go figure.

I believe he wants to keep the exploits to himself so nobody can beat him. He claims otherwise, but surely doesnt help us telling HOW he manages to get huge number of units despite horrible losses. We can only guess and we can't fix what we cant see.

I don't know him, but if he is so incredibly selfish as he seems to be, then I hope that supermax will beat him handily both in this game and in the one that will surely follow =]

Peter Stauffenberg · Post by **Peter Stauffenberg** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:10 pm

Why do you think almost everybody roots for Supermax.

I think people just want confirmation that Morris is not invincible with his strategy. If that's true then we might not have anything to fix.

We had a similar situation some time ago when people thought I was invincible. Well until Joerock beat me.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:27 pm

I think Stauffenberg is right, shouldn´t adapt the game too much because of one player. Let´s wait and see how this game turns out in the long run.

Since Morris is sacrificing US and UK, they can´t be much worth in the long run. I mean if he lands troops in France without any tech beyond 42 they will be no match for the Axis to destroy. Usually in a normal game the western allies have a significant punch later, but i can´t see that happen here since each year they get weaker.

I think the key to beating an opponent like Morris, is not to be that aggressive youself. Play it a little more passive but well planned game. Shorter but more powerfull operations and not getting drawn into "slugging contests".

This game has 2 of the most aggressive player ever!!! Ofcourse there will be some eggs broken.

Crazyg

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:37 pm

Max

Why are you still on the defense in Russia?

It might be obvious to you but it is a little harder for me to see....You have got plenty of troops in you double line that can be railed into an offensive. Is it beacuase you don´t have enough rail points becuase of the allied invasion? Or is it not enough oil? Are you troops so battered that you want to upgrade before you make any move forward?

Is it the same with the Russians, that Morris doesn´t invest in research besides infantry and tank?

Crazyg

gchristie · Post by **gchristie** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:58 pm

Max said he is low on oil.

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:17 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:I think you should quickly try to get rid of the Allied units in France and then just stay on the defense there until the next wave comes. You're low on oil and that's what he's counting on. At least Morris is not bombing your industry and oilfields.

It's important that you continue to kill Russian units so they won't get stronger before the next winter. Since you can't support lots of airstrikes I would instead build corps units and attack where you can achieve easy victories like in Finland, the northern half of Russia etc.

You could select some airstrike supported attacks in the south. The target units should be his armor and mechs. South of Dnepropetrovsk you can attack without attacking across river. Push him back there to expose his Dnepr line. You can do the same from the Smolensk area too. Use corps units for most attacks. You can afford the PP repair cost, but not the oil expenditure. OK, you take more losses since you don't have a lot of air support, but if you can attack his flanks you get 3 units per Russian corps and that means you should kill the ones you attack.

If you kill 4-5 Russian units per turn then you ensure that all his PP's go into rebuilding the lost units and he can't form a strategic reserve. Morris should actually run as fast as he can to save his army. You burn oil just pursuing his units so that helps him.

Morris will probably not do this because he's still convinced that if he keeps up the pressure then you will get to 0 oil and his invasion in France will succeed.

WOW borger.

this is exactly my plan. I guess we think alike a little bit. As you say i just dont have the oil right now and i have to be careful. I try to use up as much as i produce and then go over is the operation is considered essential. So far, i am not doing bad. I am still over 270.

As you say, i dont have to confront Moriss in Russia, he just comes in waves after stupid waves of troops. Like for the next turn i will post (i am 1 or 2 turns in advance), i will kill at least 3 of his armor and encircle 4 INF corps again...

The russian are now at 9.5 million losses. So far the germans are at 2.3, but i only lost 4-5 units!!!!

So the goal of playing the attrition war with russia is achieved by staying on the defensive and counter-attack his depleted units. Can you believe that!

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:20 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:Do you think you have a chance to move towards the Iraqi oilfields once you've cleared Egypt? Closing the Suez means you don't have to garrison cities in the Med except in occupied territory. That should help you.

I can't understand how Morris allowed to lose Egypt. If he had kept the British 8th army in Egypt then he would never have lost Egypt. I think that Morris probably underestimated you because he's so used to people getting on the defense when he's pushing with his Allies the way he does.

I think youre right Borger. Honestly i still cant believe i was able to achieve that with so obvious a ploy... I mean my sbneak infantry in the desert adding my transport. Any normal player would have seen that they would need to get rid of that INF before going for Tobruk.

As for the oilfields, well, actually yes i think i can do it. most garrison that he has are on the western side of the Suez canal. There are 2 GAR in Syria, but unless he sent many troops to southern Iraq, i should be able to get some oil soon.

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:21 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:
Diplomaticus wrote:It's too bad the distraction in the West is slowing your '42 offensive, but that's a nice move in the Middle East! No reason you shouldn't be able to seal the Med.

Your subs are to be seen everywhere in the Normandy invasion zone, but I'm curious--where's the Axis surface fleet?
I think it was sunk earlier when Morris made his first invasion of France.

yep

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:25 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:He claims it takes too much of his time to write an explanation and he feels he doesn't feel he speaks English well enough to explain. I think he expresses himself quite well. He has time to start game after game. Go figure.

I believe he wants to keep the exploits to himself so nobody can beat him. He claims otherwise, but surely doesnt help us telling HOW he manages to get huge number of units despite horrible losses. We can only guess and we can't fix what we cant see.

Well. Go figure what he does.... But wuality wise, even his british troops have good tech. The american tanks are LVL 8 at this early stage... LOL Hes got tons of guard units in Russia

Its almost like magic.

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:39 pm

Crazygunner1 wrote:Max

Why are you still on the defense in Russia?

It might be obvious to you but it is a little harder for me to see....You have got plenty of troops in you double line that can be railed into an offensive. Is it beacuase you don´t have enough rail points becuase of the allied invasion? Or is it not enough oil? Are you troops so battered that you want to upgrade before you make any move forward?

Is it the same with the Russians, that Morris doesn´t invest in research besides infantry and tank?

Crazyg

Dont really need to, he is coming to be blindly and attacks everywhere. With my high-effectiveness, i can now just defend and couter-attack when the opportunity presents itself.

Anyway, i just dont have the oil for grand -scale operations. Moriss "overload" strategy is not working as usual, but it does have an effect on my oil and my manpower...

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:53 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:He claims it takes too much of his time to write an explanation and he feels he doesn't feel he speaks English well enough to explain. I think he expresses himself quite well. He has time to start game after game. Go figure.

I believe he wants to keep the exploits to himself so nobody can beat him. He claims otherwise, but surely doesnt help us telling HOW he manages to get huge number of units despite horrible losses. We can only guess and we can't fix what we cant see.

Well. When i look at my game... Honestly: The russians have lost over 80+ units, 9.5 million casualities. Yet, they are everywhere. The Brits troops quality is very high considering the manpower loss. I can barely (with my lvl 7 tech INF) get 2 steps of damage on his brits in Normandy... I mean i have 80+ effectiveness(he is below 60), he has only 1 supply... Yet...

his american tanks are LVL 8, thats only 2 tech down from the germans, and ive had 3 points since the first turn i could have them!

In russia the MECHs are better than the germans, the tanks are LVL 8. The brits also have higher tech for their planes...

His partisan unit in Brest Litovsk got guard status after 1 attack on my hungarian GAR...

Many more examples. This is quite intriguing to me and i would love to know how he achieves those results. There must be a way that i havent seen!!!

zechi · Post by **zechi** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:10 pm

I think you should be careful about what you are implying here.

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:19 pm

What i am implying is that he should stop letting others do AAR and do some screen captures for once... This has nothing to do with his english.

And besides, everyone, and by that i mean everyone is VERY curious on how he does what he does.

Peter Stauffenberg · Post by **Peter Stauffenberg** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:22 pm

All units adjacent to an enemy unit gain 1 XP per turn. That could be the reason about Brest Litovsk.

I didn't realize that partisan units could get guards status. But that happens probably because the partisans are garrisons. Well, even more of a reason to kill them asap.

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:25 pm

Partisan guard unit? I believe garrisons can't into guard. I had garrison with 3 stars which still refused to convert into guard.

supermax · Post by **supermax** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:27 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:All units adjacent to an enemy unit gain 1 XP per turn. That could be the reason about Brest Litovsk.

I didn't realize that partisan units could get guards status. But that happens probably because the partisans are garrisons. Well, even more of a reason to kill them asap.

Well. That unit was partisan and became a guard.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:52 pm

Don´t think Russians should get experience by just being adjent to enemy. Why is it like this? Shall only be required by battle