Panzer Corps 10th Anniversary (11-07-2021) improvement ideas

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date 27/6 the July milestone is closing in
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faos333 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:25 pm date 27/6 the July milestone is closing in
I am not expecting too much anymore... honestly... Well, some sort of official reply to this outstanding collection of great ideas would already be nice ;)
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Disperse there will be no answers ! Or raise funds on Kickstarter and then there may be some kind of shift )
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I guess you are absolutely right!

How much money would be needed?
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PeteMitchell wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:29 pm I guess you are absolutely right!

How much money would be needed?
:lol: But this is not necessary to ask me , but those who created the first part of Panzer Corps ! The second one was not very successful, personally, my opinion is this ....
P.s.
I'm not an accountant , I'm just a fan of the first part )
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PeteMitchell wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:29 pm How much money would be needed?
Flashback Games doesn't have the resources.
Raising money won't help.
There comes a time on every project when it is time to shoot the engineer and ship the damn thing.
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dalfrede wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:28 am
PeteMitchell wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:29 pm How much money would be needed?
Flashback Games doesn't have the resources.
Raising money won't help.
Any ideas 💡 on that?
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They could release the source code to the public as it was done with other games... :)
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faos333 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:53 pm
dalfrede wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:28 am
PeteMitchell wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:29 pm How much money would be needed?
Flashback Games doesn't have the resources.
Raising money won't help.
Any ideas 💡 on that?
Buy 51 % of the shares of this company ;)
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uzbek2012 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:14 pm Buy 51 % of the shares of this company ;)
You would have to buy Slitherline, they own the rights.
There comes a time on every project when it is time to shoot the engineer and ship the damn thing.
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dalfrede wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:43 pm
uzbek2012 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:14 pm Buy 51 % of the shares of this company ;)
You would have to buy Slitherline, they own the rights.
Tell us, a knowledgeable person, what kind of gift did they prepare for their loyal fans in honor of the anniversary ?
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uzbek2012 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:18 pm
dalfrede wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:43 pm
uzbek2012 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:14 pm Buy 51 % of the shares of this company ;)
You would have to buy Slitherline, they own the rights.
Tell us, a knowledgeable person, what kind of gift did they prepare for their loyal fans in honor of the anniversary ?
They do have an announcement in regards to the anniversary coming up, so there is that.

Beyond that, demanding a gift as a loyal fan reeks of entitlement. The"gift" was the game that we got back then. Stating that you should get something for free for liking their game would be a bit weird. It basically means "the company should ignore its own well-being so it can cater to my wishes". They spend a ton of effort enhancing PC1 over many many years, well beyond what is the norm for most games. People got a ton of value out of that game. No one, no matter how much of a loyal fan he claims to have been, can claim that he deserves to get anything further. You can ask nicely to get something on top of the extensive list of stuff you already got, but it could never ever be something you deserve. If Slitherine and Flashback Games can find the money and resources to create further material alongside their ongoing developments, they are free to do so. But there is nothing that forces them to, and no one who deserves to get something like that. Nor are they somehow required to answer to any demands.

Fans don't own the game, and it is never a good thing when they think they do. Just look at Star Wars and certain fans who get all whiny when it isn't exactly how they want it to be. Suddenly the very people who created it supposedly "don't understand Star Wars", those who disagree with the person "aren't true fans", and it is time for someone to deliver "what the fans want", completely ignoring that "the fans" have a ton of different opinions, many of which most definately don't line up with the opinion of the person who makes the claim.

If they come up with anything for PC1, great, but there is nothing wrong if they don't release anything new. One needs to look at what is actually necessary to deliver something new. It doesn't magically drop from the sky, it requires taking resources from other areas and putting them into a project that by all means has seen the end of its development cycle years ago. The livelyhood of the all people involved in the companies hinges on earning enough to make a living. That should always be the first priority, not whether some fans should be getting a gift. You need to look at the logistics of the whole thing, the impact it will have on all ongoing projects, a logical and rational decision-making process, not something based on emotion. Would it be great to get something for the anniversary? most definately. Does that mean that such a thing would automatically be good for the company? No. It might be, or it might not. And if it might not, there is nothing wrong with not doing it. Fans can work from emotions and a desire for something, developers have something more to keep in mind.
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George_Parr wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:16 pm
uzbek2012 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:18 pm
dalfrede wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:43 pm
You would have to buy Slitherline, they own the rights.
Tell us, a knowledgeable person, what kind of gift did they prepare for their loyal fans in honor of the anniversary ?
They do have an announcement in regards to the anniversary coming up, so there is that.

Beyond that, demanding a gift as a loyal fan reeks of entitlement. The"gift" was the game that we got back then. Stating that you should get something for free for liking their game would be a bit weird. It basically means "the company should ignore its own well-being so it can cater to my wishes". They spend a ton of effort enhancing PC1 over many many years, well beyond what is the norm for most games. People got a ton of value out of that game. No one, no matter how much of a loyal fan he claims to have been, can claim that he deserves to get anything further. You can ask nicely to get something on top of the extensive list of stuff you already got, but it could never ever be something you deserve. If Slitherine and Flashback Games can find the money and resources to create further material alongside their ongoing developments, they are free to do so. But there is nothing that forces them to, and no one who deserves to get something like that. Nor are they somehow required to answer to any demands.

Fans don't own the game, and it is never a good thing when they think they do. Just look at Star Wars and certain fans who get all whiny when it isn't exactly how they want it to be. Suddenly the very people who created it supposedly "don't understand Star Wars", those who disagree with the person "aren't true fans", and it is time for someone to deliver "what the fans want", completely ignoring that "the fans" have a ton of different opinions, many of which most definately don't line up with the opinion of the person who makes the claim.

If they come up with anything for PC1, great, but there is nothing wrong if they don't release anything new. One needs to look at what is actually necessary to deliver something new. It doesn't magically drop from the sky, it requires taking resources from other areas and putting them into a project that by all means has seen the end of its development cycle years ago. The livelyhood of the all people involved in the companies hinges on earning enough to make a living. That should always be the first priority, not whether some fans should be getting a gift. You need to look at the logistics of the whole thing, the impact it will have on all ongoing projects, a logical and rational decision-making process, not something based on emotion. Would it be great to get something for the anniversary? most definately. Does that mean that such a thing would automatically be good for the company? No. It might be, or it might not. And if it might not, there is nothing wrong with not doing it. Fans can work from emotions and a desire for something, developers have something more to keep in mind.

Well said ) There will already be a gift if there is only one version of the game at the end ;)

viewtopic.php?f=121&t=76489&start=20

And now the versions to choose from are 1.30, 1.31 and 1.32 ) The last two, for example, steam does not recognize ....

P.S. Well, if a steam workshop for Panzer Corps suddenly opens, then this will be an additional incentive to buy their game , and the manufacturers of mods have their own platform !


And let's be honest, the second part, to put it mildly, did not come out very well and many fans are not in a hurry to switch to the second platform and perhaps they will remain faithful to the first part !
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I guess it's not for me to comment much on anything that you or anyone mentioned here but I think you have some very valid points overall... IMHO...

Nonetheless, I think it also doesn't take much effort for any PzC official to at least open this thread (that has been active for about a year now with over 200 posts) and to (at least) acknowledge/appreciate that many people are still very passionate about the game. These people put out some good thoughts on how to make the game better and (not to forget) possibly even commercialize this...

Just my very personal two cents...

Ah and by the way, I think Panzer Corps 1 is still very much alive... even after 10 years:

https://steamcharts.com/search/?q=panzer+corps

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I know that Steam is just one data point but still... 400 vs. 280 on the 30 day average is not bad :shock: 8)

Could be valuable monitoring these numbers every few weeks!

This thread is also worth a look by the way:
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=103292
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Yup, PC2 didn't very convince players, as a third stayed on PC1
(it's even worse than the old schizm DawnOfWar1 DarkCrusade vs last SoulsStorm expansion)
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“ These people put out some good thoughts on how to make the game better and (not to forget) possibly even commercialize this...”

It blows my mind that there is not a way to commercialize this. I remember buying Sid Meiers Railroad Tycoon Platinum 20 years ago solely because it came bundled with player created mods. It did not matter if I could find them on my own or not. In one shot I had a great new collection of content. I have just started to scratch the surface of the amazing mods in Panzer Corps and I can tell you I would have paid good money for these (especially years ago when I was healthy and making money). They are amazing and to have them included with a standard install, all of them aggregated in one spot, all of them working (like that old Platinum Tycoon install).....priceless.

It has been done before.....but maybe times/things have changed......I just don’t know.......but it does me head in!
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well, the day is here and after watching stream event https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1081573784 is clear the focus in on PC2, so no effort for any more extra content in PC1 at least in short time. It is strange because if they sold 1.1M copies, every new DLC has a big potential in PC1 community and it should not affect to PC2 sales... but just my humble opinion... so we will have to wait for new times to get new official content, meanwhile we have a lot of current offical and mod content for many many hours. Special thanks to rudankort and nikivdd for it.

All ideas will keep remain in trello board if everyone can see or vote https://trello.com/b/jmXLMGjC/pc-platinum
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a panzer corps 1 remaster would be really good, or maybe someone will make an open source remake
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fgiannet wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:50 am “........ They are amazing and to have them included with a standard install, all of them aggregated in one spot, all of them working (like that old Platinum Tycoon install).....priceless....
Lets hope for this, a new release with all the content PzG ultimate edition :D :D
Sooner or later will appear, like all other great games in the past
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faos333 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:34 pm
fgiannet wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:50 am “........ They are amazing and to have them included with a standard install, all of them aggregated in one spot, all of them working (like that old Platinum Tycoon install).....priceless....
Lets hope for this, a new release with all the content PzG ultimate edition :D :D
Sooner or later will appear, like all other great games in the past
That would be soooo amazing! :mrgreen: :D
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