This is a Step DOWN from Panzer Corps 1

[Catacol]

Sooooo, I went into the editor and tried to add Italian and Vichy French into the German forces for the first North Africa scenario called "Libya". The changes appear to be made so I saved it. I went back into the game and loaded the scenario and the changes I made are not there. The editor manual says that you can't load an edited scenario directly into the game but from the editor you can play the game by selecting Tools drop down menu and click on "Play". Tried it....doesn't load. Doesn't work. The editor manual says to IMPORT the scenario into the editor, make changes, save, and THEN it can be played in the game. Tried it. The list of scenarios in the campaign come up as "no files in this folder". So you can't even import a file into the editor because when you go get them, they don't appear as a choice. Therefore you can't play an edited imported scenario either. Bottom Line.....The editor is useless and doesn't work at all. For 70 $. this game was supposed to have a working editor. The game only appears to have an editor. The word "editor" appears in the menu and you can click on it to bring up a scenario to edit, but when you save and leave the editor your supposedly saved edited scenario disappears. And when you go to import a file like the manual instructs, no scenario files appear.

I can help here having wrestled with the editor. It isn't clearly explained, and while actually the editor is indeed powerful it doesn't quite work "out of the can."

The game installs with a scenario and a multiplayer folder inside the installation....but this isn't where the game looks for scenario files once the editor has been used on them. They have to be saved inside panzer corps 2 folder that will sit inside your document folder within your users folder on your system drive. It took me about 2 hours to work this out.

Also - be aware that once you have loaded up a scenario or built one from scratch (I built my 3rd scenario in 3 hours having got used to the editor - and its a big scenario, and having been a scenario builder within Combat Mission and a beta tester for Strategic Command I can tell you that the mechanics of the editor are very easy) you will find the menus within the game are a bit messed up....at least in the multiplayer options they are. I don't play single player - no joy in beating an AI algorithm.... so games I have made appear as blacked out options, and choosing sides is not correctly labelled yet either - but actually the scenarios work fine once loaded provided you get passed these problems.

So - battle your way through to the correct save folder, and navigate the menu glitches and actually it is very good.

When this game is polished and finished it is going to be a blinder. My own feeling is that it has been released a long way from polished, perhaps a few weeks earlier than ideal....but personally I like to get my hands on a product and trust the developers to use the community to bug test it fast than have to wait another few months for release.

[phair2]

The proof of the British starting the bombing of civilians was released in 2015 when the British war archives became available after 70 years of top secrecy. Also, in Feb 1943 they had a closed meeting of Parliament where Churchill and Bomber Harris sought the approval of bombing civilians to break morale, and the distribution of food, medicine, armaments, housing, reduce access to clean water. In a long over-night session, they got their official approval. Also the American diplomats in France in 1940 as well as the French diplomats in the USA filed reports that indicated that the British had already been bombing civilian targets. This information was not available officially from the 1950's-around 2000. Russian sources of Soviet actual records (not propaganda) expose that they also knew this to be true. But these won't show up on "History Channel" documentaries anytime soon.

Your first point is a red herring. It can have a high degree of historical accuracy without punishing the German player with weak units at the end of the war because naturally, if the Axis had continued winning, because the "player" did a great job, where would he have had his units decimated? In a Campaign game, you get to keep units that survived, did well, and even improved and became yet even stronger. So if the player does well, he of course should not be rewarded with weak units just because it's 1945.

[Moderation]

It is really hard to follow your post without quotations and what not.

I can and will not answer to everything, but just a few points.

1.) If you want the game to depict history, then in later battles 1943 onwards, you should only be able to field a few elite divisions with mostly green troops and all of them understrength and only very limited resupply, while the enemies should have a massive material advantage.

2.) So you agree with me? Germany was not winning everywhere? I never said that e.g. Operation Crusader was a resounding defeat, but we can definitely agree that it was not a resounding victory for germany. Additionally it does not matter why the germans lost before moscow, they did lose. They did not take moscow which was their goal. How is that anything but a loss.
It also seems weird that you are apparently trying to defend germany? We germans deserved that everyone banded together to fight us and we should count ourselves lucky that it happened. And yes, it is called a victory. What else would it be called?

Concerning your statements on italy: I could now make my points again and differentiate a little, but I think you actually said the right thing already: Blanket Statements. Yes, my statements were a bit broad, but so were yours. The truth lies somewhere in the middle in this case. Obviously not every unit and every piece of equipment the italians had was a piece of crap, but if you compare it to the major nations of wwii, their equipment on average was at least sub-standard.
Yeah, the germans considered the italian tanks adequate for some tasks. There are also multiple german accounts where they praised the italian bravery, for example the ariete during 2nd el alamein.
If you really want to have a discussion about this, maybe don't be so condescending and call other people dumb.

Oh and btw.: I don't know if it was your intention, but it sounds like you are saying that the brits started bombing civilians during wwii before the germans did it. That is not the case.

[Horseman]

The proof of the British starting the bombing of civilians was released in 2015 when the British war archives became available after 70 years of top secrecy. Also, in Feb 1943 they had a closed meeting of Parliament where Churchill and Bomber Harris sought the approval of bombing civilians to break morale, and the distribution of food, medicine, armaments, housing, reduce access to clean water. In a long over-night session, they got their official approval. Also the American diplomats in France in 1940 as well as the French diplomats in the USA filed reports that indicated that the British had already been bombing civilian targets. This information was not available officially from the 1950's-around 2000. Russian sources of Soviet actual records (not propaganda) expose that they also knew this to be true. But these won't show up on "History Channel" documentaries anytime soon.

Your first point is a red herring. It can have a high degree of historical accuracy without punishing the German player with weak units at the end of the war because naturally, if the Axis had continued winning, because the "player" did a great job, where would he have had his units decimated? In a Campaign game, you get to keep units that survived, did well, and even improved and became yet even stronger. So if the player does well, he of course should not be rewarded with weak units just because it's 1945.

[Moderation]

It is really hard to follow your post without quotations and what not.

I can and will not answer to everything, but just a few points.

1.) If you want the game to depict history, then in later battles 1943 onwards, you should only be able to field a few elite divisions with mostly green troops and all of them understrength and only very limited resupply, while the enemies should have a massive material advantage.

2.) So you agree with me? Germany was not winning everywhere? I never said that e.g. Operation Crusader was a resounding defeat, but we can definitely agree that it was not a resounding victory for germany. Additionally it does not matter why the germans lost before moscow, they did lose. They did not take moscow which was their goal. How is that anything but a loss.
It also seems weird that you are apparently trying to defend germany? We germans deserved that everyone banded together to fight us and we should count ourselves lucky that it happened. And yes, it is called a victory. What else would it be called?

Concerning your statements on italy: I could now make my points again and differentiate a little, but I think you actually said the right thing already: Blanket Statements. Yes, my statements were a bit broad, but so were yours. The truth lies somewhere in the middle in this case. Obviously not every unit and every piece of equipment the italians had was a piece of crap, but if you compare it to the major nations of wwii, their equipment on average was at least sub-standard.
Yeah, the germans considered the italian tanks adequate for some tasks. There are also multiple german accounts where they praised the italian bravery, for example the ariete during 2nd el alamein.
If you really want to have a discussion about this, maybe don't be so condescending and call other people dumb.

Oh and btw.: I don't know if it was your intention, but it sounds like you are saying that the brits started bombing civilians during wwii before the germans did it. That is not the case.

Did your Dad also work for Nintendo?

[phair2]

So are you saying that Saved Edited Scenarios do not appear in the place that they should, and they are stored in a different location ?? Can you step-by-step explain the process of finding the edited scenarios? Can they be played in the Campaign or just by themselves individually? I'm trying to add Italians for purchase in North Africa scenarios, but the saves don't stick. It appears to add Italians but then after you save and go load the game, they are not there. And then when you go back to the editor to see if they are at least still in the edited game file, the edited game file goes back to default without my changes saved.

I can help here having wrestled with the editor. It isn't clearly explained, and while actually the editor is indeed powerful it doesn't quite work "out of the can."

The game installs with a scenario and a multiplayer folder inside the installation....but this isn't where the game looks for scenario files once the editor has been used on them. They have to be saved inside panzer corps 2 folder that will sit inside your document folder within your users folder on your system drive. It took me about 2 hours to work this out.

Also - be aware that once you have loaded up a scenario or built one from scratch (I built my 3rd scenario in 3 hours having got used to the editor - and its a big scenario, and having been a scenario builder within Combat Mission and a beta tester for Strategic Command I can tell you that the mechanics of the editor are very easy) you will find the menus within the game are a bit messed up....at least in the multiplayer options they are. I don't play single player - no joy in beating an AI algorithm.... so games I have made appear as blacked out options, and choosing sides is not correctly labelled yet either - but actually the scenarios work fine once loaded provided you get passed these problems.

So - battle your way through to the correct save folder, and navigate the menu glitches and actually it is very good.

When this game is polished and finished it is going to be a blinder. My own feeling is that it has been released a long way from polished, perhaps a few weeks earlier than ideal....but personally I like to get my hands on a product and trust the developers to use the community to bug test it fast than have to wait another few months for release.

[phair2]

No Nintendo came along way after his cancer death in 1969. But that was a funny question.

Did your Dad also work for Nintendo?
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[Horseman]

No Nintendo came along way after his cancer death in 1969. But that was a funny question.

Did your Dad also work for Nintendo?

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Nintendo has been about way longer than that. I'd have thought someone with your "research credentials" would have been able to work that out.

Not to mention work out how to use a simple editor, read the manual, that's all I did and i get it working fine.

Sorry you lost all credibility when you claimed "the Nazis didn't do the things they're accused of"

[phair2]

[Moderation]

I read the manual. I tried it. It didn't work. Maybe I need to re-download or re-install. I only came on the forum to complain about the game and the editor not working to see if anyone who designed or play-tested the game might know what to do.

I don't need you to affirm my research skills. Already done by Avalon Hill, Critical Hit, Inc. and the US Army Officers and Artillery Training School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. I've been published more than once. Bottom line: I spent 70$ on a game and my editor doesn't work. So I don't know if that's a common thing or if I need to re-install. So far the answers have been from it doesn't work to it works but you can't play it, to it works but the files are not stored where they should be to it works great. So I don't know why mine doesn't. You can bash me all you want to your hearts content but a WW2 wargame that includes North Africa without being able to purchase/use Italians is a crappy job. I think the US Army would agree with me. So I'm good.

[eddieballgame]

'phair2', I am not sure why you are having so much trouble with the Editor.
Per adding the Italian Units to the 'Battleaxe.scn' in the Campaign, load that scenario (backed up) in the Editor.
Go to 'Scenario Params' then 'Players'. Per the Axis side, add Italy then save or save as.
Load in your 'Battleaxe.scn' per your Campaign & you will see that the Italian Units are available to purchase.

[pipfromslitherine]

@Phair2 - I have deleted your clear Holocaust denial postings. Any further posts on this matter will lead to a permanent ban.

Cheers

Pip

[eddieballgame]

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[phair2]

I noticed however how you didn't address my editor for Panzer Corps 2 not working or other issues with the game. But if you have to censor people for their beliefs and research
my guess is you don't care about taking people's money for a partially working game. I will remember that for future purchases. And if you as the forum administrator don't have anything to do with the sale or design of the game perhaps they'd be interested how you manage their forum and instead of addressing game issues you bully and make threats. I did not realize that in order to be part of this forum we were required to accept mainstream history as taught in schools and by Hollywood. Good to know....

cheers

@Phair2 - I have deleted your clear Holocaust denial postings. Any further posts on this matter will lead to a permanent ban.

Cheers

Pip

[phair2]

'phair2', I am not sure why you are having so much trouble with the Editor.
Per adding the Italian Units to the 'Battleaxe.scn' in the Campaign, load that scenario (backed up) in the Editor.
Go to 'Scenario Params' then 'Players'.
Per the Axis side, add Italy then save or save as.
Load in your 'Battleaxe.scn' per your Campaign & you will see that the Italian Units are available to purchase.

I've tried this several times and the changes don't stick. I don't know if that means my game is defective or I need to re-download or re-install. I even tried the import method but when I go to import a scenario into the editor the folders are empty and there are no scenario files. I don't know if that's a game defect or what.

[eddieballgame]

'phair2', I am not sure why you are having so much trouble with the Editor.
Per adding the Italian Units to the 'Battleaxe.scn' in the Campaign, load that scenario (backed up) in the Editor.
Go to 'Scenario Params' then 'Players'.
Per the Axis side, add Italy then save or save as.
Load in your 'Battleaxe.scn' per your Campaign & you will see that the Italian Units are available to purchase.

I've tried this several times and the changes don't stick. I don't know if that means my game is defective or I need to re-download or re-install. I even tried the import method but when I go to import a scenario into the editor the folders are empty and there are no scenario files. I don't know if that's a game defect or what.

Sorry for your problem per the Editor; maybe a complete uninstall/reinstall will fix things, good luck.
My understanding per 'Importing' is that it is used for importing PzC1 maps/scenarios into the Editor for use with PzC2.
BTW, it works great for that.

[phair2]

Thanks. Didn't know you could play PzC 1 on PnzC 2.

[eddieballgame]

Thanks. Didn't know you could play PzC 1 on PnzC 2.

I don't think that is possible, as the units are not the same, for starters.
What I have been able to do is load in the PzC1 scenarios, delete all the units & then add PzC2 units.
Then you can play the scenarios.
Pretty impressive that this Editor can load in 2d maps & convert them to 3d.

[naughtybalrog]

I paid $70 for this? At least create your own maps. Played twice through and bored as hell.
Why don't you get Nikki to help make this playable?

[jeffoot77]

+1 with the author of the topic.

PC2 is lacking of historical immersion . Even the heroes haven't real names !

[Horseman]

+1 with the author of the topic.

PC2 is lacking of historical immersion . Even the heroes haven't real names !

I'll lay down the challenge once more- please prove that none of the names generated for heroes were actual real people......

Of course you're also suggesting that having all the famous German soldiers from WW2 in your forces is historically immersive. That in itself is more ridiculous than having random names!

[jeffoot77]

"i'll lay down the challenge once more- please prove that none of the names generated for heroes were actual real people......

Of course you're also suggesting that having all the famous German soldiers from WW2 in your forces is historically immersive. That in itself is more ridiculous than having random names!"

--> lol is it a joke ? in pc1 ,there are Rudel, Marseilles , Mayer, where are they in pc 2 ?

[Horseman]

"i'll lay down the challenge once more- please prove that none of the names generated for heroes were actual real people......

Of course you're also suggesting that having all the famous German soldiers from WW2 in your forces is historically immersive. That in itself is more ridiculous than having random names!"

--> lol is it a joke ? in pc1 ,there are Rudel, Marseilles , Mayer, where are they in pc 2 ?

What joke? That you don't understand what was written? I'm asking you to prove that none of the heroes names were real people! Bet you can't.

I would like to see some of the famous names like in PC1 GC (yes they were all added in a DLC NOT the base game, so not really a fair comparison ) but to claim there's no historical immersion because we don't have them in PC2 (yet) is ridiculous.