Battlelines - advantages/disadvantages ?

sagji · Post by **sagji** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:40 pm

DaiSho wrote:
philqw78 wrote:
This says that if the BL fails its CMT then the BL can make a simple move - it doesn't allow parts of the BL to make moves.
Why not?
You declare what is in the Battle Line and roll your dice. If you fail then parts of the battle line would be able to make a single move, but then they wouldn't be moving as a battle line, so only one BG would be able to make a second move, or wheel or whatever other advantages you're trying to get from being a battle line.

Ian

No - when you fail the CMT your only option is to either make a simple move, or not move, there is no option to move parts of a BL. There is no way movement of some BGs in a BL could count as a simple move by the BL.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:05 pm

Simon Says
its as drafted.

Which is the problem I have. The draft is ambiguous.

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:55 pm

The draft is not ambiguous. BW or LArt must take a CMT to move at all. Battlelines have the movement restrictions of the worst troop type included in the battle line. Therefore, if a battleline wishes to include BW or LArt, and fails the CMT to move them, the entire battleline and its general are unable to move. You can always choose to try to move the BW or LArt as individual BGs, but if you declare them to be moving as part of a BL, using the "commander is with" modifier, they are a part of the BL and cannot be left behind if the roll fails.
It's the same principle that keeps people from claiming that since the LH on the end of the line can move 7MU, I can wheel my BL to the maximum move distance of the LH, since no individual BG will be exceeding its own movement distance

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:49 am

Actually says Battle Lines have the "move distance of their slowest battle group" - which with a BWG or LtArt and a failed CMT is zero. (p41)

Once CMT is rolled the BG or BL must make its move, can't change based on test results. (p43)

. . . I suspect deciding they would rather not be a BL after all constitutes a change.

So this suggests they don't move, just stand waiting and grumble or shout at the wheels to get rolling - sounds very realistic.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:49 am

they don't move, just stand waiting and grumble or shout at the wheels to get rolling - sounds very realistic.

As realistic as the 2000 men 400m to your left hearing your order to move forward but waiting to make sure that the 1500 men 400m to the right heard as well? Providing the few thousand in the middle heard also

Its a game, it needs rules and I need clarification of the rules

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:49 am

My point was that soldiering is mostly waiting, and waiting is often the best part.

Having re-read the relevant rules, I think the rules are clear. It would be easier to have a sentence saying that if the CMT fails the BL remains in place.