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Post by SirGarnet »

Cav, LH, LCH and EL can pass through LF, LF can pass through anything. p48

But no interpenetration in a charge (p47), just bursting through if it happens.
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Post by Omar »

Sorry, meant LH, not LF. Wondered if Cav/Knights could charge through LH, but your right, nothing can charge through other units.

I just have a better feel for the one with LF. Seems like I can do more, and I am not really loosing a 'main' unit to get it. All in all it feels like I have more options.. and yes, very Byzantine. :)
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Post by philqw78 »

Cav, LH, LCH and EL can pass through LF
Not Knights

Obviously a mental hangover from previous rule sets
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Post by Omar »

MikeK wrote:Random thoughts:

What does FC do for you? The range helps on CTs for being shot and for CMTs, and FC allies are ideal good for flank marches.

Consider just TCs, or buy an IC for the double bonus and more than doubled area of coverage vs. the FC, but you may not find that necessary so I'd suggest trying the TC only first.

Giving up a Knight BG for three LF BGs increases your attrition points and terrain capability. Having 7 skirmisher BGs means you can skirmish all along the line while driving to smash one point with the heavies - a screen and smash approach such as that practiced by Numidians or Parthians heavy on skrimishers and with a few heavy BGs with punch - some good AARs in the forum on that.

Since it involves pinning down the enemy some and then targeting a part of the line, it can involve great haste or considerable caution and maneuver depending on the situation, so judgment, foresight and some cunning - fairly byzantine.
Reviewing the list before I put the order in for the mini's.

Is upgrading a FC to an IC worth loosing a unit of archers? I could bump one up to 8, loose the other unit, and buy an IC rather than a FC.

Otherwise, I still prefer the mixed list to the all mounted list, though I will buy the models to put a unit like that together.
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Post by philqw78 »

I would rather downgrade the FC to TC and gain something else
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Post by Omar »

philqw78 wrote:I would rather downgrade the FC to TC and gain something else
Really? Wont that have an impact on combat and cohesion tests?

I dont really know that 25 is enough to do much with. A unit of 8 Poor LF Archers?
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Omar wrote:
philqw78 wrote:I would rather downgrade the FC to TC and gain something else
Really? Wont that have an impact on combat and cohesion tests?

I dont really know that 25 is enough to do much with. A unit of 8 Poor LF Archers?
FC have a bigger radius than TCs, give a bonus for flank marching, and help on prebattle initiative if you don't have an IC.

BGs in close combat only count commanders actually with the BG, so the radius does not help them (although if he is not fighting in the front rank the radius helps with CTs for non-close combat reasons and for CMTs. Are your BGs going to be in a solid battle line or spread out? You have to think about how you will play the game and how often that radius is worth the points.

25 points might also be spent on expanding or upgrading another BG or in some cases, such as against a more mobile skirmishy foe who likes to steal the camp with LH, a fortified camp (which can be up to 10 MU into the table).
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Post by Omar »

I will try it with an IC to start (Initiative lets me choose the location, which is a big help, I need area to move), and if that doesnt work, will give a TC a try.

Otherwise, list looks good?
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