SS Core run through 39 to 45?

[goose_2]

I took a very thorough look at the ending composition you had at the end of 1939 versus mine.
The only area where you had more units than I was in the tank department. All other units I had more units than you that is the way I justify you having 3732 prestige more than I finished with.

Do you play with reformed units on?
I do not so when I lose a unit I lose it, much to my annoyance, but that is why I build up such a large force when going East so I can absorb the losses.

I will not be doing that when I finally do a West playthrough as in that case I will concentrate on building the strongest core force with the intent of saving every super hero I am awarded minus recon rudel, which shall only be used to obtain Uber Rudel.
As I dod know enough about the West playthrough that you lose all of your prestige and most of your core at the start of the West campaign
I believe any arty or AA with range or movement will be the ones I keep and any and all that get +3 Att or +3 Defensive heroes.

We shall see as it will be a long time before I am able to get started on that playthrough.

More time...need more time

[nikivdd]

I think DLC 39 and 40 are great to introduce some new units to the core army and start rotating them. I prefer to start DLC 41 with most units sharing more or less the same amount of experience. Also, with all the special units appearing (German and capturables), later on there seems to be no more need to purchase green units. The veteran players probably remember that in the beginning we were beta testing all those DLCs without any of those special units. Some missions, like in Norway, appeared to be harder missions.
You do have an interesting core composition, but seems to be light in the fighter department. Tanks look good but i prefer the Pz IV, they manage to get things done until late in the war without great cost. Pz III become rather hard to keep alive by the end of DLC 42 and will be far more costly to upgrade. In the past i upgraded some to Pz IIIN for the sake not to have all Pz IVs and heavies but quickly i realized that model N is a preferred target by the enemy.

[milliethedog]

Hi Goose and Nico,
I love the comparisons between the styles and mixes of forces and play, no I do not use reform units, in my last play through I lost an infantry unit and in others I have lost infantry, bombers and especially Recon units. I suppose that is why I have gone small core, I usually.. sorry i always back tac and bombers with fighters, infantry with Arty and panzers with Strumpanzers or Self propelled Arty. I use recon until about 42 when I usually have panzers with a spotting hero. If I do have a unit that gets smashed down to 2/10 or even1/10, I pull them out of the fight and just use them to capture flags or I have to expensively re-enforce them ASAP.

I can now see the advantage in a bigger core in 39 and 40 gaining experience to be used later. The small core does lend it's self to the West as you get to Cherry pick the very best units with the best hero's maxed to the limit before you take on the relatively weak allied units in 42/43. I am sure that you will have no issues with it.

Normally I over strength at the start of each year to the Max on every unit, but in this run through my infantry and tanks are being capped at 10/10 to save the points, but I think when I hit the heavier Russian tanks I think that I will have to spend the points. I will continue with the Panzer III's as J,L or N's to pick off wounded enemy units until I can upgraded to tigers or panthers. The panzer IV's continuously upgraded can hold their own as long as they have Arty and Ju 87's to break the back of enemy tanks.

Keep the fight and the reporting going....

Martin.

[milliethedog]

Albert canal

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 13538
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 13223 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
1x SS Panzer IV D
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
2x BF 109E
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

A Kamf group of a Pz II, 1x infantry and I x arty head north taking the Airfield at 26/11 then clearing the route to and capturing Weert and its Airfield. After re-supply they then cross the map to the West taking Lommel and then Malle before joining Kamf 2.

Kamf 2, 2x Pz III, 2x Arty, 2x Inf and a Aux Flak 2cm Blast along the North side of the AC (Albert Canal) taking Zonhoven, the key airfield at 20/11 and then heavily supported by the Tac's they take in order Houthalen, Hetchel, the bridges at 18/9 and 15/7 on to Mol, Herental, the bridge at 10/6, Zandhoven, Schoten, clearing the airfield at 4/1 then laying siege to Antwerp from the North.

Kamfs 3 and 4 start together to take Sint-Truiden, hasselt and Diest then split with kamf 3 consisting of 1x inf, 1x Strum, 1x PzIII and Aux 88, heading firstly South to capture Leuven + Airfield then the 4 flags in Brussels + the airfield. The 88 in A/T mode takes flags, Handy! then up to Mechelen then joining kamf 4 laying siege to Antwerp.

Kamf 4 fight through AArshot, Westerlo,Hiest-op-den-berg, then Lier then lastly joining Kamf 3 in forcing Antwerp from the south to capture all flags.

I gained a DV with after 18/21 turns and finished on 15485 points with no core losses.

Martin

[milliethedog]

The Hague

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 15985
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 15508 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
1x SS Panzer IV D
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
2x BF 109E
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

The South Kamf group of 2x Pz IIi with a PzIV, 2x infantry, 2x Strumpanzer and 2 x arty head West taking Dorolrecht ( by passing the strong point) then taking the 4 flags at Rotterdam. The Kamf splits with a small group attacking and taking Hellevotsluis and Maassluis before rejoining the Kamf supporting the Para's at Ypenbourg AFB to survive and then take the 4 flags in the Hague. later the group adds to the other Kamf attacks.

Kamf 2, 2x Pz III, 2x Arty, 2x Inf and a recon attack Schoonhoven clearing everything to Gouda, then up to Zoetermeer. re-supplied they relieve the sieged Para's at Leiden, re-take the airfield and lay siege and by turn 18 take Katwijk.

Kamfs 3 consisting of 1x inf, 1x Art, 1x PzIII and joined later by other spare units, heading firstly North to capture Utrecht, Woerden, Maarssen plus its airfield. They then moved on Aaismeer, Amstelveen, the airfield at 21/2 and lastly Hoofeblorp.

Lastly the Para's.... firstly I flew the para's at Volkenberg AFB to drop over Ypenburg AFB to support them holding the key Airfield here. They have to hold until Kamf south relieve them and join the attack on the Hague. To be Honest I did have to re-enforce at least 3 Para units but all 8 survived including the solo unit left at Leiden

I gained a DV with after 18/18 turns and finished on 16966 points with no core losses. I did surround Katwijk allowing the enemy to keep placing re-enforcements which were easily forced to surrender for extra points, this went on for about 6 turns.

Martin

[milliethedog]

The Sedan

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 17566
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 17077 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
1x SS Panzer IV D
1x Somua S35 (f) Captured during the game
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
3x BF 109E 1x awarded during the game Attack +2 Defence +1 Initiative +2
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

The Northern Kamf group of 1x Pz III with a PzIV, 1x infantry, 2x Strumpanzer head West taking Pussemange, Alle then Vivier-au-Court. They take the 3 ferry ocks and then rejoin the frontal attack on the Sedan. The Pz IV however crosses the Meuse and attacks Sedan from the rear.

Kamf 2,The main Kamf assult Sedan head on (supported by lots of Arty) after taking Messincourt and its airfield. a splinter group 2x pz, inf and arty moves south taking carnigan, the Ferry dock, Margot and its Ferry dock before crossing the muse to take Raucourt-et-Flaba from the rear. The rest of the main group smash trough at Sedan thanks to the Ju87's obliterating the massed French tanks, then spreading out to take everything up to the Airfield at 2/12 and finish the game at turn 13 as the rest of the flags to the north was too heavily defended to make it worth the losses.

I gained a DV with after 13/18 turns and finished on 18621 points with no core losses.
Martin

[milliethedog]

Maubeuge

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 20621
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 20018 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
2x SS Panzer IV D Somua upgraded at start
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
3x BF 109E 1x awarded during the game Attack +2 Defence +1 Initiative +2
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

Very quick game, very straight forward, I split the core in two, the Northern kamf took everything from Mons to Tournai then on to lay siege to Lille. The Southern kamf took Maubeuge and then cleared everything to Douai. after resupply they move up and take Lille from the south. The key for me was smashing the French tanks with air power, after that the rest was straight forward inf, arty and panzer power.

I gained an easy DV with after 16/18 turns and finished on 21493 points with no core losses.
Martin

[hmshood]

By the way I like the way you lay it out quick, clean, and concise.

I could learn from that.

Agree!

[milliethedog]

Arras

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 22495
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 22059 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
2x SS Panzer IV D Somua upgraded at start
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
3x BF 109E 1x awarded during the game Attack +2 Defence +1 Initiative +2
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

Again a very quick game, very straight forward, the difference to the previous game is that this is a game of rapid advance then strong defence backed by heavy art and Tac bombers. I split the core in three,

the Northern kamf 2xPzIII, inf, 2x Arty, Recon and a Aux Recon took Perenchies, then bunkered down and soaked up the British counter attacks. They then took everything from Sante, Armentieres, La Gorie ans airfield, hazebrouck, Bethune and lastly Divion before halting to soak up the counter attack from and then on to lay siege to Avesnes-le-Comte.

The Middle kamf inf,2x Arty, Recon plus Aux Inf, AT and a 88 took Auby and then cleared everything From Carvin, Lens, and Angres, Again they defend against counter attacks, before joining the siege at Avesres.

The southern kamf made up of inf, Art, 2x Sturm, 2x Pz Iv and 3 PzIII plus Aux Recon, AT, and a 88. take Moruvres, Lambreas, Ervillers and then hold to beat back a counter attack from Arras. After defeating the British they take the 3 Flags at Arras then hold again for another counter attack before laying siege to Avesnes.

The Aux 88's and my Fighters took care of the RAF, the 88's were also great for destroying the British Matilda's. My Ju87's and Me 110 dealt with the tanks.

I gained a DV with after 24/24 turns and finished on 23856 points with no core losses, but lots of units took small hits.

Martin

[milliethedog]

Calais

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 24756
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 24074 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
2x SS Panzer IV D Somua upgraded at start
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
3x BF 109E 1x awarded during the game Attack +2 Defence +1 Initiative +2
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

Yet another very quick game, very straight forward, the difference to the previous game is that this is a game of rapid advance backed by heavy art and Tac bombers, then a siege against Calais and Sangatte. Again I split the core in three,

the Northern kamf 2xPzIII, inf, 2x Sturm, took Bourbourg and its Airbase. They then take Gravelines, Vielk-Eglise Marck and then lay siege to Calais.

The Middle kamf 2x inf, Arty and Pz III took Aubruisq and then cleared everything From Les Attagues, before laying siege at Sangatte.

The southern kamf made up of 2x inf, 4x Art, 2x Pz Iv and 2 PzIII, take Zouafques, then split into 2 sub groups, 1 takes Licques, Rety and its Airbase, Marquise and Wimille before laying siege to Sangatte. the 2nd splinter takes Guines and Airbase, Saint Inglevert, Wissart + airbase and again join the attack on Sangatte as Calis had fallen.

My Fighters took care of the RAF, But the Spitfire did cause damage to my 109's. My Ju87's and Me 110 dealt with the tanks.

I gained a DV with after 14/19 turns and finished on 25497 points with no core losses, small losses only

Martin

[nikivdd]

You're doing great. Any particular reason why you stick to the Gebirgsjagers?

[milliethedog]

Hi Nico,
I normally have a Mix of Pioneer and Mountain troops, I find the mountain troops the best for movement over all areas and they seem to be able to handle all comers. I do miss pioneers for Forts and Bunkers but they are not available as SS (Yet!) so I have upgraded my 2 panzer IIG's to Flame throwers (pricey up grade 148 points) to see if they work out, I know I will not be able to keep them after 42/43.

Martin

[nikivdd]

The Stug IIIA, B and E are fort busters too, that's why i am reluctant to upgrade them.

[goose_2]

The Stug IIIA, B and E are fort busters too, that's why i am reluctant to upgrade them.

How does fort busting work on an arty?

[milliethedog]

Dunkirk

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 26597
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 26285 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE,
1x Matilda captured in the game
2x SS Panzer IV D
5x 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250
2x Sturmpanzer 1
3x BF 109E
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

very straight forward, quick game, , the difference to the previous game is that this is a game of rapid advance backed by heavy art and Tac bombers but this time there is no siege, I normally bypass storming Dunkirk altogether as the damage is not worth the Damage. Again I split the core in three,

the eastern kamf 2xPzIII,2x Pz Iv, inf, 2x Art, 2x Sturm, took Vinkem, De Panne, Veurne and Bry-Dunes

The Middle kamf 2x inf, Arty and Pz III took Wormhout and its airbase, Bergues and then Hondschoote.

The Western kamf made up of 2x inf, 2x Art, and 2 PzIII, take Saint-Folquin, Grand fort Philippe and Bierne

My Fighters again took care of the RAF, But again the Spitfire did cause damage to my 109's. My Ju87's and Me 110 dealt with the tanks. The Aux Bombers very quickly sink lots of transports, I also used them to take out the cruiser as there is an AA just in range. The gunboats, sub and fort's guns again quickly sink ships, in this case too quickly as I was about to take a number of flags for no cost I accidently triggered the DV.

I gained a DV with after 14/17 turns and finished on 27133 points with no core losses,

Martin

[milliethedog]

Riems

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 28383
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 27673 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE
3x SS Panzer IV D Matilda upgraded
5x SS 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250 all up graded from stock units.
2x SS Sturmpanzer 1 all up graded from stock units.
3x BF 109E
3x Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

very straight forward, quick game, , the difference to the previous game is that this is a game of rapid advance backed by heavy art and Tac bombers but this time there is no siege, I normally bypass storming Dunkirk altogether as the damage is not worth the Damage. Again I split the core in three,

the Eastern kamf 2x Pz Iv, inf, 1x Art, 1x Sturm and Aux Bridge unit. took Le Chesne, Attigny, held the French counter attack, Ju87's hit the tanks for 6, the a rear attack on Monthois and its Airfield. trapped the French forces before Rethel. they then raced south to take Auberive, Suppes and Mouremelon-le-grad.

The Middle kamf 1x inf, 2x Arty and 3x Pz III took Signy la bbaye and Rethel then held on through the French counter attack. After smashing the attack they take Bazancourt, Witry-les-Riems then Riems and its airfields.

The Western kamf made up of 2x inf, 1x Art, 1x Sturm, 2pzIV and 2 PzIII and a Recon. They sweep through Chaumont-Porcien, Sissonne, Chateau-Porcien, Lacon, Corbeny, Neufchatel, Berry-au-bac, Brane, Fisme and then hit Riems lastly taking Fere-en-Tardenos.

My Fighters again took care of the French Airforce without causing damage to my 109's. My Ju87's and Me 110 dealt with the tanks. No real issues, just a race South.

I gained a DV with after 12/20 turns and finished on 29342 points with no core losses,

Martin

[milliethedog]

Dijon

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 30300
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 29901 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE
4x SS Panzer IV D Char B upgraded from captured unit at Riems.
5x SS 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250 all up graded from stock units.
2x SS Sturmpanzer 1 all up graded from stock units.
3x BF 109E
3x Ju 87R upgraded from Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

very straight forward, Very quick game, This was a straight run south, no issues, my Fighters again took care of the French Airforce and my Ju87's and Me 110 dealt with the tanks.I just used my arty to hit forward and to support against attacks. I had to do a couple of supply stops as its along way south but I got another CharB tank.


I gained a DV with after 14/18 turns and finished on 31617 points with no core losses,

Martin

[goose_2]

Hey Millie
Check your messages I sent you a private message

[milliethedog]

Sorry did not look, I will check now, thanks

Martin

[milliethedog]

Maginot line

Field marshal Level, Starting Points 32203
After Replenishment and re-enforcements 30816 points

Core
4x SS GebirgsJager
2x Panzer IID used as Recon
5x SS Panzer IIIE
5x SS Panzer IV D Char B upgraded from captured unit at Dijon.
8x SS 15cm le FH 18 plus Sdkfz 250. 3 additional added.
2x SS Sturmpanzer 1.
3x BF 109E
3x Ju 87R upgraded from Ju 87B
1x Ju 87B Recon
1x Bf 110D
2x Ju 88A

very straight forward, Very quick game, This was a straight forward siege, I split the core into 3 again, west, middle and east. each had 4x arty, infantry and panzers. I only took Tacs as there is no French air force present. I used the Aux Very heavy Art to hit the Strong points and Forts. Ju's took out supporting French tanks with ease, just leaving a standard arty, inf, panzer slow, careful grind. As soon as the Kamfs start to link up the massed Arty just smashes everything. so even without pioneers nothing could stand up for long.

I gained a DV with after 12/16 turns and finished on 31946 points with no core losses,

I Love the French campaign both for speed and for variation of enemy and unit mix, but now it's over, France is defeated. my core force will now face East, it seems my Italian brothers from another Mother have started to flex their muscles... we will see how that goes.

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Martin