timurid and ottoman list

[PELAGIUS]

Are the Tarkhans going to be classed bow*knights ?

I think "no" would be a safe answer to that

*This was discussed some time ago on the Shattered Lances site when the wiki list was developing and I think they will come out in FoG as elites but very few of them? 2 base BG's?

*Yours disgracefully

*Pelagius

[pyrrhus]

any idea what they will be

[PELAGIUS]

any idea what they will be

*Hallo Pyrrhus

*From my work with other rule lists I would suggest with apologies for any mistakes and a hefty nod towards the list authors who are more familiar with the definitions:

Cavalry - Armoured - Elite - Lancers - Bow* - Drilled @ 20/base

The Bow* could potentially substitute Swordsman

*They were referred to as "line-breakers" and "the heroes" but they should be very limited in number with probably 2 base Bg's per general used? Not sure if this is something that FoG lists use...

*The basic Timurid cavalry would be something like Cavalry - Protected - Average/Superior - Bow - Drilled with a low percentage Armoured? The army was good because of Timur as equivelants like Golden Horde and Il-Khanids had similar troops but were not as succesfully led in battle

*I shall try this army out in 15mm with Timur as C-in-C

*Yours disgracefully

*Pelagius

[pyrrhus]

Thanks gives me some ideas .I was a bit suprised that the regular cav would only rate as protected but I suppose armor is a relative thing to the time period. Do you thing these steppe armys have a chance at tourneys ?

[PELAGIUS]

Thanks gives me some ideas .I was a bit suprised that the regular cav would only rate as protected but I suppose armor is a relative thing to the time period. Do you thing these steppe armys have a chance at tourneys ?

*Hallo pyrrhus

*On the armour question I think there is a general wargamer misconcepion about the levels of protection available to a number of armies. One of the reasons for this is that artists want to represent the most colourful and outstanding examples of an army and that is normally the nobles and armoured elements, so that is what wargamers see. This includes contemporaries of the historical armies.

*What is a counter-balance to this is the actual writings of eye-witnesses that, if carefully read, give a clue to proportions. Western descriptions of sipahi cavalry of the early C15 are notable for the lack of armour and, relatively, poor weaponry described. Although you may see sipahi described as having "corselets" these were actually only quilted cotton at best. The Porte regiments would have the best armour and equipment available. When a review of the White Sheep Confederacy was held an Italian notes that of 20,000 horsemen only 2,000 ride barded mounts but every wargames army you saw represented will have maximum armoured cavalry.

*Timurid armies succeeded due to his superb abilities on the field, the confidence and training of his troops (Superior rating). The majority would still have been Islamised Turks and other Mongol tribesmen equipped exactly as Ghengis' troops had been. Again the Tarqan are remembered as being wonderfully armoured and equipped but there were few of them. You don't have an army of "heroes". The difference between Timurid armies and those of his enemies was Timur!

*I do not feel qualified as to whether they will do well in competitions, others may. I played Timurids for 2 years in DBM and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. In FoG if you play historical games then Timur as an IC should make a reasonable but not game-winning difference.

*As a related aside Musketeer Miniatures are considering a range of Timurids for late 2008 so check out their website. They should be a joy to behold.

*Yours disgracefully

*Pelagius

[pyrrhus]

I quite agree with you just thinking that Galatian,Thessalian,Roman being armored and timurids as protected just made me question that level of protection I was thinking of them as typical HC not the fully barded specials (which is where I was commenting on the level of armor being a relative comparison ) they would be armored in 250 b.c. but 1400 a.d. not so much . I do hope they have what it takes to do well (never played the rules ) you must share your DBM experience .Patrick

[rbodleyscott]

I quite agree with you just thinking that Galatian,Thessalian,Roman being armored and timurids as protected just made me question that level of protection I was thinking of them as typical HC not the fully barded specials (which is where I was commenting on the level of armor being a relative comparison ) they would be armored in 250 b.c. but 1400 a.d. not so much . I do hope they have what it takes to do well (never played the rules ) you must share your DBM experience .Patrick

Timurids are Armoured.

[pyrrhus]

Yes!!! Now my plans are complete with these new troops I can Now launch my , ooooooppppppsss sorry little carried away . Thanks Richard

[PELAGIUS]

you must share your DBM experience .Patrick

*Not really appropriate on here methinks and, to be honest, not enlightening as to their efficacy as I am an average player at best. I will share one glorious moment when, facing a Teutonic Orders army, we saw the full manoevure skills of Regular Knight Superior in fill to-the-rear mode as a mix of Bows and Elephants bore down upon them.

*They did win a couple of painting competitions however.

*Yours disgracefully

*Pelagius

[PELAGIUS]

Timurids are Armoured.[/quote]


*And provicial sipahis?

*Yours disgracefully

*Pelagius

[rbodleyscott]

Timurids are Armoured.

*And provicial sipahis?

Cavalry, Undrilled, Armoured or Protected, Superior or Average, Bow, Swordsmen

[GKChesterton1976]

I am quite curious about the Timurid list, having enjoyed playing with it in Warrior and DBA from time to time. I am painting some 15mm Timurid Archers at the moment,

How are the various Timurid troops going to be classified:

Cavalry - like the Mongols - Drilled, Armoured or Protected, Cavalry, Average, Bow, Swordsmen with the possible addition of a Cataphract option

Elephants - a couple of these following the conquest of Delhi in ?1398

Archers - MF, Protected, Drilled, Bow, Swordsmen?

Horse Archers - LH, Drilled, Average, Unprotected, Bow, Swordsmen

Afghan Spearmen - MF, Undrilled, Average, Protected, Defensive Spearmen (these could be hard to classify!)

Just a few thoughts - I will probably use them from time to time however classified!

Adrian

[nikgaukroger]

Cavalry - like the Mongols - Drilled, Armoured or Protected, Cavalry, Average, Bow, Swordsmen with the possible addition of a Cataphract option

No catafract option, but you can have Superior.