"Another one" - Plaid vs Morris

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:46 pm

Its true, I see 4 french units with leaders. No idea, for what purpose Morris recruited them all, since they seems overlapping each other's range several times.

Now weather is MUD, and its sad in march...But atleast I was able to rebase most of airpower and destroy one french garrison.

Purchased infantry labs for both Italy and Germany (1 for each).

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:47 pm

Wow, I like this new pz IV icon much more, then previous.

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:38 pm

Likes this one but does miss his elite tiger.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:41 pm

Blathergut wrote:Likes this one but does miss his elite tiger.

ha ha....i got degraded to a Panzer mark 3....think i had a tiger before

richardsd · Post by **richardsd** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:45 pm

I think it depends on your plan, are trying to delay for time or maximise Axis losses?

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:39 am

Good Grief -- I count 4 French generals!

P.S. -- I see you've already made that observation.

Morris does like the leaders. In his game against Max, it's still 1939 and the BEF he's deployed to France has three UK generals.

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:55 am

3 BEF leaders are also here!

I don't think that this leaders will help a lot to thin allied lines though, but they will probably have more counterattack potential.

We were able to capture Lille and Reims and have slight edge over RAF in air battles (3:2 and 2:1)

General Model rectuited this turn - I dont like having 10 times less leaders, then allies

14 more convoy PPs sunk by kriegsmarine - (47 total) which is already almost complete mech corps.

Convoy was again escorted by BBs. Interesting, will this "escort" try to actually attack my subs?

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:29 pm

This turn british suffered way serious casualties :

Retreating allied troops were immediately followed by wehrmacht, I was able to destroy 2 french corps, garrison, and, the most interesting - RAF fighter. My leading panzer which attacked airbase is way exposed and will suffer huge damage or be destroyed next turn, in case of all-out allied counterattack. But allies have very few troops and this counterattack will also mean collapse of all resistance in France.

On the other hand infantry attacks in the north failed badly - i got 1:4 and 1:4 result attacking garrison with 2 corps.

Also "escort" BB really tryed to escort convoy, engaging sub, and got punished for it.

One thing which I can't understand is why Morris can't build 1 lonely HG garrison, since he constantly suffer this -5 for all UK units.
And since he use UK in combat extensively, its not smart to go with -5 effectiveness (its roughly 10% of their total effectiveness at this time).

This turn I purchased TAC because things so far looks like Sealion invitation. But probably better just bomb UK into oblivion, building 2nd SAC, instead of Sealion'ing it, since our initial goal was to play "safe" game?

gchristie · Post by **gchristie** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:38 pm

Plaid wrote:Wow, I like this new pz IV icon much more, then previous.

Folks may know this already, but the new icons are from Panzer Corps. Methinks Slitherine is slyly promoting the new game, which I just bought and am enjoying and recommend.

Question: In one of my PBEMs my opponent is playing Axis and he is buying a lot of leaders and placing them right next to each other, three or four in a group. What is the rationale for this? Is it perhaps for the defensive bonus they provide? I guess if their command ratings are the same one doesn't have to worry about overlapping ranges averaging out the rating of better leaders.

Anyway, it seems like an expensive approach to me as I'd rather spread the leaders out so their ranges don't overlap so I can have more boys and toys to play with, but to each his own. Maybe his manpower was getting too low?

Game on.

_Augustus_ · Post by **_Augustus_** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:52 pm

Heya,

Attack and defence bonuses I reckon. The overlapping doesn't average the bonuses in GS 2.0 anymore. Units use the best leader in range.

_augustus_

gchristie · Post by **gchristie** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:21 pm

_Augustus_ wrote:Heya,

Attack and defence bonuses I reckon. The overlapping doesn't average the bonuses in GS 2.0 anymore. Units use the best leader in range.

_augustus_

Thanks _augustus_,

Looks like I better take a closer look at the mother of all manuals.

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:28 pm

Our worst expectations became true, as all-out allied attack wiped out entire panzerkorps.

In our turn many allied units met their end, but canadians have arrived directly to France, so there is still solid crowd of allies and France will hold for couple of turns.

Interesting, will I have time to conduct any Sealion in 1940 and will it be worthy?

If all this british troops stay (and die) in France I have no choice, but to punish UK for this with campaign aiming for conquest both middle east and british isles, but it will very likely mean defence on the east since very 1942.

gerones · Post by **gerones** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:29 pm

Morris has bought so many french commanders that he has not been able to build a strong defensive line.

Sea lion seems to be not only an invitation but a MUST DO!

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:43 pm

Think you shall skip Sealion, it´s true that if you destroy the britts in France you will have dealt them a serious blow and the isles are open. But the fact is that summer period is almost over so you will get bogged down in time comsuming efforts.

Look at it this way, if the britts are destroyed in France you will have seriously hindered his capability to interfere any of your future operations for atleast until mid or late 41.

Crazyg

_Augustus_ · Post by **_Augustus_** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:48 pm

C'mon now. No reason to get overexcited and take eye off the ball. The beast is in the east...

_augustus_

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Crazygunner1 wrote:Think you shall skip Sealion, it´s true that if you destroy the britts in France you will have dealt them a serious blow and the isles are open. But the fact is that summer period is almost over so you will get bogged down in time comsuming efforts.

Look at it this way, if the britts are destroyed in France you will have seriously hindered his capability to interfere any of your future operations for atleast until mid or late 41.

Crazyg

But in most games british don't interfere this early anyway...

Blathergut · Post by **Blathergut** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:06 pm

I wish Morris could explain his strategy. I don't understand why so many leaders. I do understand the 'pile-everything-into-France.' I knew that panzer was dead and you might get hit yet again.

Maybe in your emails, ask if he would give his thinking on his defense of France? It would be very interesting to hear.

Plaid · Post by **Plaid** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:03 pm

Blathergut wrote:I wish Morris could explain his strategy. I don't understand why so many leaders. I do understand the 'pile-everything-into-France.' I knew that panzer was dead and you might get hit yet again.

Maybe in your emails, ask if he would give his thinking on his defense of France? It would be very interesting to hear.

All this leaders provide bonus stats to units and relatively cheap. I think it is the idea.

_Augustus_ · Post by **_Augustus_** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:04 pm

I like leaders with att/def bonuses. Including for France. But Morris had 4 French leaders out there, right? There is only 2 French leaders who have bonuses. And then Gamelin the Free One. The fourth one is a waste IMHO. Especially IF he's Girad with leadership 5 at 35 PPs. That only 2 EFF more than Gamelin. Of course if he has Gamelin and Girad at towards different edges he covers almost the whole of the French front line with leaders. Even if that's the case I feel it would be better to have an extra INF or PP reserve than the 4th leader.

Just my two cents and maybe Morris surprises us all.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:35 pm

_Augustus_ wrote:C'mon now. No reason to get overexcited and take eye off the ball. The beast is in the east...

_augustus_

This sums up my take on Morris' strategy. He seems he is trading Britain's sacrifice for a weaker and / or later Barbarossa. In fact I would bet the he's hoping that you go for Sea Lion or Close the Med. My take is that he plans to win this with Russia and bring in the USA when you've been weaken by the Russian.

Right now the UK has been weaken and is not a threat. One way to exploit this is to build up for an execute an early spring 1941 invasion of Russia.