evade and VMD ?

thefrenchjester · Post by **thefrenchjester** » Thu May 12, 2011 8:16 am

Hi Pete,

in France the nickname of Olivier is "DAD the Incincible"

Best Regards

thefrenchjester " punching ball of the invincible each week

"

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu May 12, 2011 9:08 am

olivier wrote:Phil,
In my example, and charge up
face right.
If is a legal target he can't intercept ; if not it's a flank interception!

That makes more sense. Though it makes no difference since intercepts move before evades and at declaration the interceptor cannot be contacted. Its up to the player if he wants to take the risk of being contacted after the evade.

Just to add to the fire whilst sat here with no rules at work:

IMO

The situation would be the same if

were within charge reach of

could still intercept as intercepts move first. He would then be contacted himself in the flank
though. But this is what

skirmish screens are for.

zeitoun · Post by **zeitoun** » Thu May 12, 2011 11:09 am

philqw78 wrote:
olivier wrote:Phil,
In my example, and charge up
face right.
If is a legal target he can't intercept ; if not it's a flank interception!
That makes more sense. Though it makes no difference since intercepts move before evades and at declaration the interceptor cannot be contacted. Its up to the player if he wants to take the risk of being contacted after the evade.

Just to add to the fire whilst sat here with no rules at work:

IMO

The situation would be the same if were within charge reach of

could still intercept as intercepts move first. He would then be contacted himself in the flank
though. But this is what skirmish screens are for.

I'm not totally agree with you Phil.

is LH if he become target of the charge by a +2 VMD , he must test to stand if

is heavy troop. If

fail he must evade and cannot intercept

LH

and if

is in normal charge range of

if must decide to evade , if not,

don't roll vmd , and catch it . SO cannot intercept as he is target of charge

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Thu May 12, 2011 11:11 am

thefrenchjester " punching ball of the invincible each week "

Maybe you are the unsung hero of Olivier's success Gilles? Where would he be without you?

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Thu May 12, 2011 8:29 pm

Hi Olivier - good to see that you are still carrying all before you.

One other thing to consider.

In a pursuit, LH starting beyond 4MU of pursuing Knights, don't have to make their evade decision until the Kn have thrown their VMD. For me, this is no different?

Hi Pete, Thank for your comment but my pond is smaller than yours and many fish began to rebel!

After re-reading the rules

( it a good start sometimes

) I agree with your interpretation as it is said p 52 only "legally" charged BG must respond to the charge. The Lh is outside normal move and "de facto" not a legal target. He choose only when it become a "legal" target.
I hope to see you at Britcon

zoltan · Post by **zoltan** » Fri May 13, 2011 3:33 am

OK, so after going all around the houses on this one we seem to have achieved world peace.

If a charging BG rolls a plus VMD, any 'new' enemy BG within the VMD range becomes a charge target and is entitled to evade (if permitted this option) despite the fact that the sequence of play has moved past 'make evade moves'. I'm sure we reached this conclusion in a separate thread last year, but better safe than sorry.

Maybe the powers that be could add a tweak to V2 wording that explicitly permits this departure from the normal 'follow the sequence of play in strict order with no going backwards' mandate?

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Fri May 13, 2011 7:05 am

Hi Pete, Thank for your comment but my pond is smaller than yours and many fish began to rebel!

After re-reading the rules ( it a good start sometimes ) I agree with your interpretation as it is said p 52 only "legally" charged BG must respond to the charge. The Lh is outside normal move and "de facto" not a legal target. He choose only when it become a "legal" target.
I hope to see you at Britcon

Cheers Olivier!

I'll definitely be at Britcon. I was going to do 25mm but I if you're going I'll be in the 15mm Late Period - hopefully round 3 for us? But I may not be able to keep up with you - I'm badly out of practice.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri May 13, 2011 7:40 am

petedalby wrote:Cheers Olivier!

I'll definitely be at Britcon. I was going to do 25mm but I if you're going I'll be in the 15mm Late Period - hopefully round 3 for us? But I may not be able to keep up with you - I'm badly out of practice.

Note to self. Don't enter 15mm late.

But then Mamluks aren't too shabby.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Fri May 13, 2011 8:48 am

Proper players go early

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri May 13, 2011 9:45 am

dave_r wrote:Proper players go early

But you managed to stay 'til the end last year Dave. Unilke every other competition you enter where you stop performing just before then.

Anyway I don't fancy the chariots

elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n · Fri May 13, 2011 7:58 pm

I think you should have added a smiley

david53 · Post by **david53** » Fri May 13, 2011 8:09 pm

elysiumsolutions@fsmail.n wrote:I think you should have added a smiley

You Manchester players, you've lost me here

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Sat May 14, 2011 8:08 am

I'll definitely be at Britcon. I was going to do 25mm but I if you're going I'll be in the 15mm Late Period - hopefully round 3 for us? But I may not be able to keep up with you - I'm badly out of practice.

Pete, I'm coming in late period but I don't know which army I'll play.
Certainly not with my Ordnance French as the challenge is to perform with a new army may be mamluk if Phil cowers in abject terror and don't come with them

I'll wait eagerly our round 3

@ Dave proper player may be play early but Real one play late!