Is this legal?

eugenemrodriguez · Post by **eugenemrodriguez** » Tue May 17, 2011 7:30 pm

What if we just defined "behind" as between your FF and your own base edge. That would remove most of the cheese. You could still form a line of FF and face the flank at deployment and placing units in reserve behind would not be a major issue. You could still be facing a creative deployment but there would be a cost because of FF.

Eugene

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Tue May 17, 2011 9:05 pm

eugenemrodriguez wrote:What if we just defined "behind" as between your FF and your own base edge. That would remove most of the cheese. You could still form a line of FF and face the flank at deployment and placing units in reserve behind would not be a major issue. You could still be facing a creative deployment but there would be a cost because of FF.

works.

ravenflight · Post by **ravenflight** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:05 pm

hazelbark wrote:
eugenemrodriguez wrote:What if we just defined "behind" as between your FF and your own base edge. That would remove most of the cheese. You could still form a line of FF and face the flank at deployment and placing units in reserve behind would not be a major issue. You could still be facing a creative deployment but there would be a cost because of FF.
works.

No. Sorry. It doesn't.

If I were to have a FF at 89.9999 degrees of perpendicular to the base edge, and my BG facing 90 degrees to that FF in line formation, I'm still technically 'behind' the FF. Mathematically the FF MUST satisfy eugenemrodriguez's rule. Personally, I think it's a very dirty trick. I don't mind a person having a column of troops behind a FF, but to do it this way is truly stretching the rules beyond any recognition.

I truly don't know how to get around these sorts of ploys. Eventually someone is going to find a way of reading any rule so that it can be to their sneaky advantage. Honestly, if they want to get their extra 5" of movement let them. If they need the win so badly that they have to play that way - no problem. They still have to wake up with themselves the next day.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:19 pm

ravenflight wrote:No. Sorry. It doesn't.

If I were to have a FF at 89.9999 degrees of perpendicular to the base edge, and my BG facing 90 degrees to that FF in line formation, I'm still technically 'behind' the FF. Mathematically the FF MUST satisfy eugenemrodriguez's rule. Personally, I think it's a very dirty trick. I don't mind a person having a column of troops behind a FF, but to do it this way is truly stretching the rules beyond any recognition.

I get your point. However you are, I suspect wrong, if I wanted to work out the math you would need to be far more of an angle. And give that shallowness it would have a very minor benefit at one end and most woudl be in normal deployment zone.

Luddite · Post by **Luddite** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:57 pm

I admire the sheer, willful, amoral gorgonzola-of-epic-scale cheese of thinking you could actually try this on an opponent with a straight face, but to be honest i suspect you're not thinking cheesey enough.

Take a single FF and deploy it on your own baseline with the rear of it facing the opponent.

Therefore, everywhere on the boards is 'completely behind' the fortification allowing you to deploy your army anywhere on the table, without restriction.

I like lawrenceg's suggested errata.

ravenflight · Post by **ravenflight** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:47 pm

hazelbark wrote:
ravenflight wrote:No. Sorry. It doesn't.

If I were to have a FF at 89.9999 degrees of perpendicular to the base edge, and my BG facing 90 degrees to that FF in line formation, I'm still technically 'behind' the FF. Mathematically the FF MUST satisfy eugenemrodriguez's rule. Personally, I think it's a very dirty trick. I don't mind a person having a column of troops behind a FF, but to do it this way is truly stretching the rules beyond any recognition.
I get your point. However you are, I suspect wrong, if I wanted to work out the math you would need to be far more of an angle. And give that shallowness it would have a very minor benefit at one end and most woudl be in normal deployment zone.

Maybe i didn't explain it well enough.

If i place my BG of Legionaries @ 15" from my base edge, then drop back the left side by 1micrometer there is an angle, however small, with the right corner 'in front' of the left with regard to my base edge.
I now place a FF against my right flank.
I now have complied with Eugene's suggestion and still smell like pizza with extra cheese.