Crazyg VS Thommo(no Thommo please)

Lexmanbis · Post by **Lexmanbis** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:57 pm

Interesting AAR with these pictures included! Thanks and good luck!

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:58 pm

German forces are spreading out through France, i will take Marseilles, Rennes, Cherbourg, Nantes and Lille next turn. I will also aim for the complete destruction of the french army next couple of turns. We will see how long the RAF will be in france....Also moved in and attacked RN CV, didn´t get that good results but it is expensive to repair.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:10 pm

Before mu turn, as you can see the entire RN and french navy are hunting my 2 subs in the atlantic.....ha ha
Since they are far away from the rest of my kriegsmarine i decided to take a look if he closed the channel with his brittish sub, right i was....didn´t get the result i was hoping from my DD but Luftwaffe help out.

Some repairs here and there, also bombed Paris with my fighters to take away entrenchments.

This is the part that sadens me somewhat, Ajaccio is not empty. That probably means that none of the other french cities on the african continent are empty. Most players transport the GAR to help out the defense of france leaving them empty and easy to capture.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:16 pm

Lexmanbis wrote:Interesting AAR with these pictures included! Thanks and good luck!

Thanks, i hope it will be more interesting as the game progresses....

trulster · Post by **trulster** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:31 pm

Are there some new rules concerning France/Vichy since you seem to avoid taking Paris? Even if you make it to the North Africa cities your units will be booted back to Germany at conquest of France...

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:02 pm

Gammelin and last french corps destroyed in Paris, last mopping up of the french GAR left. I plan to start bombing london for PPs. Also produced 1 more fighter. Would have been nice with another Strat but don´t wanna waste 95 PPs on another one....otherwise pretty quite

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:16 pm

Uboat docks in Saint Nazaire is captured, germans start restoring the bunkers so the atlantic subs have shorter trips to reach their patrol area...

Now that sub production has increased patrols take place further out in the atlantic. The battle for the atlantic has begun....

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:22 pm

trulster wrote:Are there some new rules concerning France/Vichy since you seem to avoid taking Paris? Even if you make it to the North Africa cities your units will be booted back to Germany at conquest of France...

Nope, there are no new rules to the fall of France and you are right about getting booted out. I choose not to reveal my entire strategy just yet. I would like to get a few more turns before i say to much.

But for now i will say that i was rather hoping that the african cities where empty that would have saved me a lot of time, but i guess i have to take em by force instead.

Crazyg

joerock22 · Post by **joerock22** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:47 pm

Could Thommo have been expecting that you would not occupy Paris right away (or at all)? That's the only reason I can conceive why the French wouldn't ship the garrisons to defend the homeland. You get 45 PPs worth of garrisons for 24 PPs in transport costs.

trulster · Post by **trulster** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:20 am

joerock22 wrote:Could Thommo have been expecting that you would not occupy Paris right away (or at all)? That's the only reason I can conceive why the French wouldn't ship the garrisons to defend the homeland. You get 45 PPs worth of garrisons for 24 PPs in transport costs.

Indeed, and judging byt this game they do make a difference, Paris could have fallen by Jan 40 it seems, with no extra garrisons around to defend.

shawkhan · Post by **shawkhan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:16 am

The main point I can see with this strategy is thet the Germans are getting a Mediterranean port they can use to invade within the Med. For instance they could take Syria, then the ME oilfields. If that isn't it the other Mediterranean-bounded countries are also doable early such as Spain or Greece. Heck, even Turkey is possible with this strategy, since the British have a hard time interfering before Egypt enters the war. The 'Supermax' invasion to cut off the British 8th army is also pretty easy to accomplish as well. I do consider it 'gamey' but this is a game after all. If it was me doing something this sneaky, I would go for the 8th army then the oilfields.

trulster · Post by **trulster** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:59 pm

Yep was thinking the same, "free" landing in Syria should make taking Palestine easy, and then you got a supply source to secure Middle East and also Suez.

Downside is that the French Navy will remain in play for some time (unless it already has been thrown away).

ncali · Post by **ncali** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:02 pm

Yes, the French Navy is one downside. The second is that Paris can never be conquered unless/until the Axis is willing to give up North Africa and Syria. On the other hand, any Allied troops placed in those territories will be destroyed (I think) if the Axis does take Paris. I think Axis troops within Vichy France when Paris surrenders are just placed in the build queue. In any case, you have to keep Paris isolated since the French will be able to build units there.

Aryaman · Post by **Aryaman** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:51 pm

It is a nice exploitation of the game rules but of course this is all very gamey, so i hope it doesn´t pay

trulster · Post by **trulster** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:47 pm

Well once you have captured Palestine you have a supply source so you can then "create Vichy" by taking Paris. Still, having Marseille, Lyon and Toulouse I suppose outweighs the PPs loss from not having Paris so maybe better to leave it unconquered. Of course, the Allies when they realise this should start making attacks out of Paris to cause some PP loss there as well.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:32 am

As some of you already had guessed my aim is to increase supply in Africa, Sfax is only worth 2 but Tunis is worth 10 extra supply. That should give me extra leverage to destroy the 8th army in Egypt and the RN. Continue towards Middle East. I am hoping that freeing up the Italian Navy into the atlantic will give me more time to keep the noose tight around Brittain. Barbarossa will probably be pretty weak in 41 but if i can capture Irak and perhaps Persia there will be no land lease act for Russia and that is 15 extra PPs gone. In 42 i should have a grand, strong oil driven army that can deal with almost anything.

He probably doesn´t know it but by not leaving the african cities he has delayed my actions with atleast 3-4 turns.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:36 am

trulster wrote:Well once you have captured Palestine you have a supply source so you can then "create Vichy" by taking Paris. Still, having Marseille, Lyon and Toulouse I suppose outweighs the PPs loss from not having Paris so maybe better to leave it unconquered. Of course, the Allies when they realise this should start making attacks out of Paris to cause some PP loss there as well.

Well you can´t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

It shouldn´t be to bad even if France holds Paris around 8PPs times 0,6 in war effort. Takes a while to build anything of power.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:43 am

trulster wrote:Yep was thinking the same, "free" landing in Syria should make taking Palestine easy, and then you got a supply source to secure Middle East and also Suez.

Downside is that the French Navy will remain in play for some time (unless it already has been thrown away).

You could land in Syria as well, good advantage if he would have moved the GAR, it is probably still there. The best thing landing in Syria is if you assemble a large enough force you can march on Irak right away and also knock out Egypt at the same time using two fronts. If Allies get to aggressive you simply take Paris and all your troops in Syria will be back in germany for deployment, Allied units will be destroyed.

Crazyg

shawkhan · Post by **shawkhan** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:47 am

Could you have invaded Malta before Italy joined the war? I didn't know the possibility even existed but if the game engine allowed, you would have taken out a garrison,fighter and DD unit along with gaining the increased supply associated with Axis possession of Malta. I didn't want to mention this before in case it was a deep dark secret.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:49 am

shawkhan wrote:Could you have invaded Malta before Italy joined the war? I didn't know the possibility even existed but if the game engine allowed, you would have taken out a garrison,fighter and DD unit along with gaining the increased supply associated with Axis possession of Malta. I didn't want to mention this before in case it was a deep dark secret.

No that would have been nice.

There is a brittish GAR in Malta so you have to take it by force..