Mixed Bow units & Bow* and where's my manual?

keithmartinsmith · Post by **keithmartinsmith** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:13 pm

We just posted a small patch (1.4.4) that fixes a critical issue with rear rank support shooting.
Keith

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:29 pm

keithmartinsmith wrote:We just posted a small patch (1.4.4) that fixes a critical issue with rear rank support shooting.
Keith

Great news, thanks for the quick patch , cheers!

dazzam · Post by **dazzam** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:34 am

Thanks for creating a patch so quickly especially in this holiday season. But FYI I just tested the danish early army and there is still a prob with identifying mixed units shooting as MF or LF. The danish army can have mixed unit with cross bow or bow. Both mixes show 2 rear support with bows or crossbows. The Crossbow unit though has 2 dice when shooting (and when you hold the mouse over the unit it states MF support). The bow unit has one attacking dice but when you hold the mouse over the unit it states they are LF supporting. So these would appear to have the correct no of dice given the onscreen description once you are up and running.

However in selecting the side in the DAG there is no way of telling if they are LF or MF supporting bows. Ie both have 2 figures in the back row but one is MF and one is LF. Furthermore I just found also the Danish unit that is drilled and has one supporting bow figure and according t to the release note with the patch this s/be a LF supporting unit. However in the game these drilled units have 2 dice for missile shooting (when you hold the cursor over the unit is states they are MF supporting).

So the problem seems to be how to identify of the supporting bows are LF or MF in the list as there are inconsistencies just based on the number of figures you see as supporting archers.

keithmartinsmith · Post by **keithmartinsmith** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:41 pm

I think in this list some troops are HF with LF support and others are MF with MF support. Can you be specific as to which troop type from which DAG list you think is wrong.
Thanks
Keith

TheGrayMouser · Post by **TheGrayMouser** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:43 pm

keithmartinsmith wrote:I think in this list some troops are HF with LF support and others are MF with MF support. Can you be specific as to which troop type from which DAG list you think is wrong.
Thanks
Keith

I think what he means is this
there are 4 types of mixed units in this list

General levy LF bows 2 graphics for rear rank
General levy LF x-bows 2 graphics for rear rank
Select Levy MF x-bows 2 graphics for rear rank
Select Levy(drilled) MF x-bows 3 graphics for rear rank (the 2 outer are the regular heavy weapons guys the center being the x-bowman)

should the undrilled Select Levy not have 3 graphics for the rear rank?

dazzam · Post by **dazzam** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:18 am

General levy LF bows 2 graphics for rear rank 1 dice
General levy LF x-bows 2 graphics for rear rank 1 dice
Select Levy MF x-bows 2 graphics for rear rank 2 dice (yet looks identical to the 2 above)
Select Levy(drilled) MF x-bows 3 graphics for rear rank 2 dice (thought these were LF as only one of the back three has a bow)

Thanks TGM for deciphering my gibber

GaiusMarius · Post by **GaiusMarius** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:00 pm

Same problem in Late Crusader (Richard I) DAG list: The Military Order Spear and Crossbowmen BG is HF, Drilled, def spear with MF Xbow support: Unit Icon has three figures on second rank with only one xbowman which leads to erroneously think to an LF xbow support.

cheers

GaiusMarius · Post by **GaiusMarius** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:59 pm

again (sorry for the post bombing): SOA DAG Condotta-Papal States: Militia Pavisiers, HF, drilled, def spear, supported by MF Crossbow: unit icon has three figures in second rank, only one is crossbowman leading to think erroneously to a LF crossbow support.

cheers.

grumblefish · Post by **grumblefish** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:20 am

Is there any point to the mixed units at all? I post this after seeing my entire Crusader (Richard I) mixed infantry line shattered by charging gauls. My knights obviously did a number on those they could reach, but I put my points into forming a nice long line of mixed infantry. I think I managed to disrupt a grand total of one unit in the two rounds of shooting before they reached me. Upon impact, I received a fragmented unit and a good number of disordered units; when it came my turn, the fragmented unit routed and my disordered units didn't fair too much better.