New Sassanid Line in 15mm

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:48 am

Not sure that is correct. It is difficult to tell on some of the reliefs, and some horses tails may well be tied, but some clearly aren't - for example.

The figure on the right actually DOES have a ribbon at the top of the tail. The tail is not shortened, but does not appear to be free flowing. The figure on the left has a tail the same shape as the figure on the right but you really cannot see the top of the tail very well to make out whether it has a ribbon or not. My guess is that it does. In any event the tail is not a big deal one way or the other.

and yes, they are 15mm

as an aside they will be sold by battle group, with leader/standards included.

There will be suitably herioc figures for General bases... and a baggage camp

Excellent to see leaders and other heroic figures

, but no individual packs will be sold?

Yes, a full range, the globe hat is under discussion. The shields will be as you have shown here

PLEASE, NO GLOBE HATS

. Simple conical helmets can be painted as leather or felt

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:55 am

list_lurker wrote: Yes, a full range, the globe hat is under discussion.

There should be no discussion - don't do them

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:22 pm

list_lurker wrote:

Yes, a full range, the globe hat is under discussion.

There should be no discussion - don't do them

Fear not

Armoured dailami are a harder deal however

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:31 pm

list_lurker wrote:
list_lurker wrote:

Yes, a full range, the globe hat is under discussion.

There should be no discussion - don't do them
Fear not

Armoured dailami are a harder deal however

In what way - you never know we may be able to help there as well

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:44 pm

There should be no discussion - don't do them

I think if you did a poll, few potential buyers (especially those who care) would vote for a globe hat. A mixture of the headwear you have on the archers and slingers would be ok.

Armoured dailami are a harder deal however

Daylami also, fantastic

One possibility is to use D2 from the Montvert book, in helmet with the mail under the tunic showing at the bottom, but with a medium to large round shield. These could double as normal spearmen if the shield is seperate (by painting the little mail showing to resemble cloth).

Persanal comment - please keep the infantry spears upright. Although figures in attacking poses may look cool they are usually not very practical from a wargaming point of view.

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:16 pm

In what way - you never know we may be able to help there as well

I guess all reference (2ndry - for illustrative purposes) they look a bit rag - tag. Its whether there is anything that should set them apart from 'hillmen'

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:28 pm

Persanal comment - please keep the infantry spears upright

the figures in general have quite a neutral pose in general. I know that may draw critiscism of boring. But I hate figures swinging axes in formation

The only exception is a set of dollies that are energic for skirmisher type BGs.

All spearmen will have separate wire spear (these will be provided). But I'm mindful of at least 2 points of contact where the spear with attach to the figure.
Each BG will come with bases also. The premise with a 'FOW' all provided approach. It is my goal to forfill all options within the list. I'm trying to done 3 armies at once though with may have been a mistake

The webstore is really configured to make buying an army really quickly with a few 'clicks' as possible.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:35 pm

list_lurker wrote:
In what way - you never know we may be able to help there as well
I guess all reference (2ndry - for illustrative purposes) they look a bit rag - tag. Its whether there is anything that should set them apart from 'hillmen'

Well they are hillmen

Their characteristic weapon, as I'm sure you know, was the double headed Zupin spear - not that that would show up that much in 15mm

One of their main characteristics was their like of garlic - can you get them cast with a garlic odour?

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:09 pm

I like the look a lot. Success to you with the range! I'm a 28mm player only so won't be buying but i'd like to make a suggestion for consideration - others may have a different viewpoint.

I don't find figures split at the waist add a lot in terms of variety but do add a lot in terms of work (drill holes, cut pin, assemble, adjust everything, assemble, glue, final assembly). And if you don't do this right, you'll be repairing the figures forever as they come apart with use.

I don't know if you're committed to the split waists but they are a definite negative for me. My Sassanids are A&A. They are beautiful figures and I love them a lot. I don't think I'll ever buy figures again like that though just because of the assembly. Others may have a different view though.

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:23 pm

you'll be repairing the figures forever

Yes... it is difficult decision. Same with the separate weapons

BUT, hoepfully I'm paying sufficient attention the ball and socket joint on the figures and contact points for the spears to help with this problem.

Better that spaggetti spears!

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:55 pm

I don't find figures split at the waist add a lot in terms of variety but do add a lot in terms of work (drill holes, cut pin, assemble, adjust everything, assemble, glue, final assembly). And if you don't do this right, you'll be repairing the figures forever as they come apart with use. [/img]

I like them split at the waist, as long as they are well cast and the lower part of the body is part of the horse (which appears to be the case). I think a three part figure is a pain (horse, lower body, and upper body).

the figures in general have quite a neutral pose in general. I know that may draw critiscism of boring. But I hate figures swinging axes in formation

The only exception is a set of dollies that are energic for skirmisher type BGs.

All spearmen will have separate wire spear (these will be provided). But I'm mindful of at least 2 points of contact where the spear with attach to the figure.
Each BG will come with bases also. The premise with a 'FOW' all provided approach. It is my goal to forfill all options within the list. I'm trying to done 3 armies at once though with may have been a mistake

The webstore is really configured to make buying an army really quickly with a few 'clicks' as possible.

Very good, sounds like everything is being done form a wargaming point of view. Look forward to seeing the final result.

If I may ask- what does "FOW" stand for and what other two armies are you doing?

berthier · Post by **berthier** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:58 pm

"FOW" = Flames of War

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:28 pm

Sassanid Daylamis were guardsmen, so I doubt if they were rag tag. One would assume they were well equiped by Khosrau II. I don't think this would be an unreasonable represention (other than the lack of double headed spears):

list_lurker · Post by **list_lurker** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:29 pm

wargaming point of view

25 years will do that to you!

other two armies

Earlier days for those guys... Age of Charlemagne , and 6C African Kingdoms

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:43 pm

Earlier days for those guys... Age of Charlemagne , and 6C African Kingdoms

Simon, very nice. If you are open to suggestions - one other army that appears very under represented is Bosporan. A very flexible army in FoG, but no one makes any decent Bosporan lancer cavalry.

Mehrunes · Post by **Mehrunes** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:05 pm

What are the main differences between Bosporan and Sarmatian lancers?

I like the Sassanids so far. The split at the waist is okay, it's still a two part mounted miniature but it allows for more variety because you can have more poses especially for archers.

Delbruck · Post by **Delbruck** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:45 pm

What are the main differences between Bosporan and Sarmatian lancers?

The differences primarily are:

Bosporans are mailed lancers on unbarded horses, without bow, carrying sword on left hip.
Sarmatians are mostly scale armored lancers, sometimes with scale bard, carrying bow, and wearing sword slung on his back.

Skullzgrinda · Post by **Skullzgrinda** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:58 pm

list_lurker wrote: Each BG will come with bases also. The premise with a 'FOW' all provided approach.

That is the only thing so far which is disappointing. I am very picky about my basing, and prefer to make my own selection on the materials. I also spend more grudgingly if I am paying in part for unwanted extras that I won't use.

Skullzgrinda · Post by **Skullzgrinda** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:01 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:
One of their main characteristics was their like of garlic - can you get them cast with a garlic odour?

I think that could be accomplished via flocking . . .

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:16 pm

Delbruck wrote:
What are the main differences between Bosporan and Sarmatian lancers?
The differences primarily are:

Bosporans are mailed lancers on unbarded horses, without bow, carrying sword on left hip.
Sarmatians are mostly scale armored lancers, sometimes with scale bard, carrying bow, and wearing sword slung on his back.

Oh dear, I'm going to disagree with you again to some degree. I'm sure we agree on some things though

IIRC that split is pretty much what Phil Barker wrote in AEIR way back, however, looking at Mariusz Mielczarek's "The Army of the Bosporan Kingdom" the pictures (of grave stele in the main) in there show scale armour in use and gorytus style bowcases in use by Bosporan cavalrymen. No horse armour though. Spangenhelms are, unsurprisingly, popular

So for Bosporan cavalry I'd go with a mix of scale and mail.