FORTRESS EUROPA improved (no Diplomaticus)

[supermax]

I think ive been misunderstood. I am looking for an opponent that will do the Fortress Europa strategy against me and i play the allies.

Anyway there is no way my strategy is a sure thing, as we see in this AAR. The Axis collapse is rapid once the allies reach a critical point in troops and research. I will finish this game before pronouncing on my final thoughts about this strategy, since my initial thinking was that it was a sure bet, now i am not so sure anymore, so there is no point for me to do it again and again.

Id like to be on the receiving end of the suffering for once with the allies...

As to a game with Morris, for now i am not really interested for the reasons i stated. I admit that a "contract" to finish the game whatever what might be tempting, however, so i will keep this in mind. If i even play him, i am not going to announce my strategy outright anyway, he is too smart a player for me to tell him which way i am going from the start.

[supermax]

[trulster]

I think ive been misunderstood. I am looking for an opponent that will do the Fortress Europa strategy against me and i play the allies.

Would it not be a major advantage for the Allies if you *know* there is going to be a Fortress Europa? You could easily tailor tech and builds to cope with this from the start. Thus, it would not be as interesting a test of the strategy.

[richardsd]

thats still an awfully long way the Allies have to go - any bad weather and they will really struggle

[supermax]

I think ive been misunderstood. I am looking for an opponent that will do the Fortress Europa strategy against me and i play the allies.

Would it not be a major advantage for the Allies if you *know* there is going to be a Fortress Europa? You could easily tailor tech and builds to cope with this from the start. Thus, it would not be as interesting a test of the strategy.

Mmm yes your right, that may not be so fair, however as i said before the allies cant do much about it anyway.

Anyway...

[supermax]

Well maybee, after all, the Fortress Europa strategy doesnt work that well! I dont know how i could have done it better than the way i did it, apprt from saving some oil...

Maybee if i dont build a fleet with the axis and save oil in 1942 Russia?

Without oil my aircover was blown and that was when the shit started to hit the fan for the germans.

I'll think about that for sure.

In the meantime, we need to resist. Hitler has issued a "no retreat" order. The german army has to transform all the terriain its in into fortresses

[zechi]

I don't think you will lose this game. It is already September 1944. Soon there will be bad weather with a few mud turns which will paralyze the Soviets and you still have more then enough units left in the east to win the game. In the west no landings will be possible and in 1945 there are only a few turns left for any strike at the heart of Germany. I have won games with the Axis with less units and much better position of the Allies. In fact I think even with perfect weather for the Allies it will be hard to win this game for them.

Concerning your doubts about the Axis fleet. I think it was an error to build the fleet as you were not able to use it properly in this game.

[joerock22]

I don't think you will lose this game. It is already September 1944. Soon there will be bad weather with a few mud turns which will paralyze the Soviets and you still have more then enough units left in the east to win the game. In the west no landings will be possible and in 1945 there are only a few turns left for any strike at the heart of Germany. I have won games with the Axis with less units and much better position of the Allies. In fact I think even with perfect weather for the Allies it will be hard to win this game for them.

Concerning your doubts about the Axis fleet. I think it was an error to build the fleet as you were not able to use it properly in this game.

I agree. My initial thoughts upon seeing your screenshots were that the Russians don't have enough tanks, mechs, and bombers. At the very least, he doesn't have them concentrated enough. He will suffer heavy losses almost every time he attacks your entrenched German units with any of those, so he needs to have reserves so units can repair and he can still attack on every turn. Plus he has at least 2 hexes of rough terrain to fight through all across the front, which is difficult in winter because of the reduced movement. It will be fairly close, but I think you will be able to hold Berlin until the end.

Also, German production is excellent because none of your cities have been bombed yet. So you can afford repairs.

[supermax]

I don't think you will lose this game. It is already September 1944. Soon there will be bad weather with a few mud turns which will paralyze the Soviets and you still have more then enough units left in the east to win the game. In the west no landings will be possible and in 1945 there are only a few turns left for any strike at the heart of Germany. I have won games with the Axis with less units and much better position of the Allies. In fact I think even with perfect weather for the Allies it will be hard to win this game for them.

Concerning your doubts about the Axis fleet. I think it was an error to build the fleet as you were not able to use it properly in this game.

On the fleet thing, i completly agree. Its just not practical for germans to entertain the 3 arms on an equal basis, not enough ressources. Next fortress europa will not have a fleet, and instead of doing a push in russia in 42, i will go for oil, and build the mightiest air fleet that could be possible.

[richardsd]

I don't think you will lose this game. It is already September 1944. Soon there will be bad weather with a few mud turns which will paralyze the Soviets and you still have more then enough units left in the east to win the game. In the west no landings will be possible and in 1945 there are only a few turns left for any strike at the heart of Germany. I have won games with the Axis with less units and much better position of the Allies. In fact I think even with perfect weather for the Allies it will be hard to win this game for them.

Concerning your doubts about the Axis fleet. I think it was an error to build the fleet as you were not able to use it properly in this game.

On the fleet thing, i completly agree. Its just not practical for germans to entertain the 3 arms on an equal basis, not enough ressources. Next fortress europa will not have a fleet, and instead of doing a push in russia in 42, i will go for oil, and build the mightiest air fleet that could be possible.

thats certainly closer to what I do - although its really hard not to do something for Barbarossa

[supermax]

Sorry for not posting for a few turns, i was on my work computer.

Here you go!

[zechi]

Be careful with Foggia in southern Italy. It counts as surrender city. Same with Reggio.

You already lost Tirana, Triest, Tripoli (?). What about Tunis? If you lose Tunis and Foggia, Italy will be out of the war.

[supermax]

[Crazygunner1]

Ha ha ha this is mayhem!!!

[supermax]

[zechi]

Yes, Trieste counts. In fact I was in a very similar situation in a game against Diplomaticus (which I lost) and also lost Italy on the same turn, despite Italian forces in quite good shape. From my point of view it is impossible to properly defend Italy at this stage of the game (at least not to keep Italy in the game), as the rail depots cannot be defended very well.

[Morris]

Yes, Trieste counts. In fact I was in a very similar situation in a game against Diplomaticus (which I lost) and also lost Italy on the same turn, despite Italian forces in quite good shape. From my point of view it is impossible to properly defend Italy at this stage of the game (at least not to keep Italy in the game), as the rail depots cannot be defended very well.

Yes , Trieste ! Me too !

[supermax]

Well well!

We cant explain it, but on the turn before Italy's surrender we found the biggest oil well in the world near Berlin, our oil levels jumped from around 100 to 500. Would that be what we call a bug???

hehehe in the meantime we enjoy our pool of oil, just too bad this bug didnt happen earlier in the game when we needeed it!

Hitler is furious at the german engeneers for not fiding this earlier, something that would have won the war for the deutch!

[supermax]

[Crazygunner1]

That is quite funny, turkish troops making ambhiboius invasion behind germans lines in the baltic sea