The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

[kronenblatt]

This is the case currently, but will change in the next update, so that both sides only get to deploy in their first turn, and then SideA gets the actual 1st move.

OK, thanks. And after the update: when a player picks up the challenge, which side (A or B) will get the game in his/her My Turn folder?

Always A, same as now.

OK, so could still in the next update make same sense as now (for people who think it make sense now) to set up challenges as Side B?

[rbodleyscott]

OK, thanks. And after the update: when a player picks up the challenge, which side (A or B) will get the game in his/her My Turn folder?

Always A, same as now.

OK, so could still in the next update make same sense as now (for people who think it make sense now) to set up challenges as Side B?

They would no longer get any advantage from doing so.

[SimonLancaster]

10th Oct. A lot of players are having problems loading their DL turns. I have posted about it in Tech Support.

[harveylh]

10th Oct. A lot of players are having problems loading their DL turns. I have posted about it in Tech Support.

For me it has been slow (over a minute) but I have been able to load my turns and it does seem faster in the last hour.

Harvey

[edb1815]

I have also been getting 1-2 minutes delay loading. Not entirely confident to be playing turns because who knows when if your next submission will be when the server crashes.

[ahuyton]

Me too, my last turn against Sarmation (which was quite a decent turn for me) failed to upload. My connection was fine.

[TomoeGozen]

Same problem for me. I'm just going to avoid playing any turns for a while until things sort themselves out.

[NikiforosFokas]

Nice I am not the only.
Just to inform my opponents. Sorry for the delay but this happen too often today

[SimonLancaster]

I have had two games where I felt there was quite a lot of gamesmanship or misinformation (to put it nicely) going on.

First game I am fighting Mr X. I am about to get over 25% and he says to me, "Good game, you will win in a few turns when you go over 25%". The map was bad with mountains and forest at the back. Mr X had hidden a lot of his troops at the back in the forest. I plodded on. It wasn't an enjoyable game. Turns went by and I still hadn't won. Then I realise that the score was 37-9 or something. You need to get over 40% to win outright. His horse army just kept running from me and the game ended up as a draw.

I am not saying that he lied to me because he forgot about the rule. But, maybe people should be careful about what they say during a game because it is misinformation. (I felt stupid as well for believing him and forgetting about the rule.)

A few games later and I am playing Mr Z. The game is 31-29 and he suddenly says to me, "You will win in a few turns and good game." He thought his elephants would rout or something. I said that there is a long way to go.. I don't mind people saying something like, "I am doing badly here" but to say good game is not on, I think. If you are 20 points behind then it becomes more understandable. It also become understandable if you want to concede a game then you can say what you want. Mr Z goes on to probably win the game as it is 62-55 to him now.

In both cases the players didn't think they were doing anything wrong. But, I think it is bad sportsmanship. Others would say that they are being disrespectful, deceiptful or using gamesmanship.

I have recently moved up to Div B and C respectively. Maybe this kind of thing goes on more. Maybe some think that there is nothing wrong with it. Maybe in both cases the players think that they have done nothing wrong. I just think that you should be careful with your words and especially if you are telling someone that they have won the game when that clearly isn't the case!

[Conteshard]

frankly I don't see anything wrong with Mr X and Z statement. Personally I'm more of a tabletop wargamer than a digital wargamer and statements like those are more than normal in a tabletop game (and, playing with friends, even more... extreme one about the other player absurd dose of good luck, what I will do to my dice to punish them for bad behavior, and so on ) . I think they were only making small talk, but you are free to NON READING what they write.

[stockwellpete]

I have had two games where I felt there was quite a lot of gamesmanship or misinformation (to put it nicely) going on.

First game I am fighting Mr X. I am about to get over 25% and he says to me, "Good game, you will win in a few turns when you go over 25%". The map was bad with mountains and forest at the back. Mr X had hidden a lot of his troops at the back in the forest. I plodded on. It wasn't an enjoyable game. Turns went by and I still hadn't won. Then I realise that the score was 37-9 or something. You need to get over 40% to win outright. His horse army just kept running from me and the game ended up as a draw.

I am not saying that he lied to me because he forgot about the rule. But, maybe people should be careful about what they say during a game because it is misinformation. (I felt stupid as well for believing him and forgetting about the rule.)

A few games later and I am playing Mr Z. The game is 31-29 and he suddenly says to me, "You will win in a few turns and good game." He thought his elephants would rout or something. I said that there is a long way to go.. I don't mind people saying something like, "I am doing badly here" but to say good game is not on, I think. If you are 20 points behind then it becomes more understandable. It also become understandable if you want to concede a game then you can say what you want. Mr Z goes on to probably win the game as it is 62-55 to him now.

In both cases the players didn't think they were doing anything wrong. But, I think it is bad sportsmanship. Others would say that they are being disrespectful, deceiptful or using gamesmanship.

I have recently moved up to Div B and C respectively. Maybe this kind of thing goes on more. Maybe some think that there is nothing wrong with it. Maybe in both cases the players think that they have done nothing wrong. I just think that you should be careful with your words and especially if you are telling someone that they have won the game when that clearly isn't the case!

A fair enough topic for discussion but please do not start your own threads. I have had this discussion with you about doing this before. The Rally Point is the appropriate place for subjects like this. I actually don't agree with the main thrust of your argument. I think the comments were fairly harmless really.

[SimonLancaster]

I don't know what the problem is with starting a thread on the forum. I didn't want it merged and lost in the Rally Point. I just had some poiints that I wanted to discuss and let people know about this kind of behaviour.

If I had a question or short point about the Digital League then use the Rally Point, of course.

[stockwellpete]

I don't know what the problem is with starting a thread on the forum. I didn't want it merged and lost in the Rally Point. I just had some poiints that I wanted to discuss and let people know about this kind of behaviour.

If I had a question or short point about the Digital League then use the Rally Point, of course.

I have explained all this to you before. We now have 90+ players and part of my job involves keeping the forum tidy so that players can find what they want quickly. If I allow you to start a thread then someone else will also do so. And then another person will as well. And soon it becomes a mess. So The Rally Point is used for both discussion and questions. So far it has had over 97000 views so I know that it is serving its purpose OK.

[rbodleyscott]

I have had two games where I felt there was quite a lot of gamesmanship or misinformation (to put it nicely) going on.

First game I am fighting Mr X. I am about to get over 25% and he says to me, "Good game, you will win in a few turns when you go over 25%". The map was bad with mountains and forest at the back. Mr X had hidden a lot of his troops at the back in the forest. I plodded on. It wasn't an enjoyable game. Turns went by and I still hadn't won. Then I realise that the score was 37-9 or something. You need to get over 40% to win outright. His horse army just kept running from me and the game ended up as a draw.

I am not saying that he lied to me because he forgot about the rule. But, maybe people should be careful about what they say during a game because it is misinformation. (I felt stupid as well for believing him and forgetting about the rule.)

A few games later and I am playing Mr Z. The game is 31-29 and he suddenly says to me, "You will win in a few turns and good game." He thought his elephants would rout or something. I said that there is a long way to go.. I don't mind people saying something like, "I am doing badly here" but to say good game is not on, I think. If you are 20 points behind then it becomes more understandable. It also become understandable if you want to concede a game then you can say what you want. Mr Z goes on to probably win the game as it is 62-55 to him now.

In both cases the players didn't think they were doing anything wrong. But, I think it is bad sportsmanship. Others would say that they are being disrespectful, deceiptful or using gamesmanship.

I have recently moved up to Div B and C respectively. Maybe this kind of thing goes on more. Maybe some think that there is nothing wrong with it. Maybe in both cases the players think that they have done nothing wrong. I just think that you should be careful with your words and especially if you are telling someone that they have won the game when that clearly isn't the case!

A fair enough topic for discussion but please do not start your own threads. I have had this discussion with you about doing this before. The Rally Point is the appropriate place for subjects like this. I actually don't agree with the main thrust of your argument. I think the comments were fairly harmless really.

And certainly not gamesmanship.

[kronenblatt]

Always A, same as now.

OK, so could still in the next update make same sense as now (for people who think it make sense now) to set up challenges as Side B?

They would no longer get any advantage from doing so.

I'm not thinking about getting any advantage for myself in-game, but to get the battle up-and-running quicker, since Side A would then be able to pick up the challenge and immediately thereafter deploy without having to wait for Side B to see that the challenge had been picked up and then deploy. That in itself is an advantage, but to both players.

[kronenblatt]

Given the long season and many games in the digital league, I'm interested in hearing about the preferences of other DL players about turn exchange intensity: do you prefer to have many battles ongoing at the same time but play them at lower pace of exchanging turns, or to play only one or a few battles simultaneously but at a higher pace when exchanging turns? Or something else?

I'm asking since I notice that with some players, I make several turns in one day; and with others, maximum one turn (even if I return the turn initiative 5-10 minutes after it showing up at my end). Whether in the same time zone or completely different.

Also: do you have any advice to give here, Pete, from earlier seasons' experiences?

[stockwellpete]

Given the long season and many games in the digital league, I'm interested in hearing about the preferences of other DL players about turn exchange intensity: do you prefer to have many battles ongoing at the same time but play them at lower pace of exchanging turns, or to play only one or a few battles simultaneously but at a higher pace when exchanging turns? Or something else?

I'm asking since I notice that with some players, I make several turns in one day; and with others, maximum one turn (even if I return the turn initiative 5-10 minutes after it showing up at my end). Whether in the same time zone or completely different.

Also: do you have any advice to give here, Pete, from earlier seasons' experiences?

I don't really mind as long as players get their matches completed by the deadlines and comply with the Time Control checks. The tournament caters for all types of player.

[kronenblatt]

Given the long season and many games in the digital league, I'm interested in hearing about the preferences of other DL players about turn exchange intensity: do you prefer to have many battles ongoing at the same time but play them at lower pace of exchanging turns, or to play only one or a few battles simultaneously but at a higher pace when exchanging turns? Or something else?

I'm asking since I notice that with some players, I make several turns in one day; and with others, maximum one turn (even if I return the turn initiative 5-10 minutes after it showing up at my end). Whether in the same time zone or completely different.

Also: do you have any advice to give here, Pete, from earlier seasons' experiences?

I don't really mind as long as players get their matches completed by the deadlines and comply with the Time Control checks. The tournament caters for all types of player.

No approach at all that in your experience works better than the others? As an advice, I mean.

[SimonLancaster]

People are just different. They also have lives outside the Digital League. Some players like Warg and Aetius take their turns very quickly. Others take their turns once a day or a bit slower at other times.

I think if everyone is more or less taking their turns once a day then everything will tick along because other players will be faster than that in your 'playlist'.

[kronenblatt]

People are just different. They also have lives outside the Digital League.

Exactly, people are different and also it's not about lives outside DL (everyone has that).

Thus, since people are different, my question concerns whether other DL players (including you) prefer to have many battles ongoing at the same time but play them at lower pace of exchanging turns, or to play only one or a few battles simultaneously but at a higher pace when exchanging turns, or something else.

Basically: do players prefer to stretch out all their games over the season, focus on one or a few games at a time, do all their games intensively at once, etc.? That's what I'm interested in hearing about.