That is right, but its a long way to Tehran, because of the rough terrain and Persia is connected to the Middle East rail system, so KingHunter can quickly rail US units to Tehran. I will first have to deal with these forces and then move towards Tehran.afk_nero wrote:Does taking out Persia remove 15pp per turn from Russia? If so this coupled with the loss of convoys will surely hurt the Russians.
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Turn 57 - Maikop oil field secured! Massive Allied invasion fleets spotted!
In the the south of the Soviet union the Axis Army encircle more Soviet units and secure the Maikop oil field:
I hope that the Romanian and Hungarian MECHs will link up with the two German INF before Winter hits, which will at least secure Maikop for the Axis.
In the Middle East the Italian MECH is encircled by Allied units, but the German Panzer Corps rushes towards Ahwaz to relieve it:
I also moved my damaged naval units towards European ports and then I spot an Allied invasion fleet near northern Spain:
Unfortunately I move already some of my naval units near Gibraltar, so I could only move some of my naval assets towards the transports. Nevertheless, if King Hunter does not land in Spain immediately, his transports will be sunk quickly as they do not have any escorts at all.
Another Allied invasion fleet is spotted near Canada:
where will these transports go? I only have the Italian SUB and a German SUB nearby, which means I will wait before I have more forces at hand to strike at these transports.
Furthermore, the Red Army is victorious in Finland and Oslo will fall next turn:
My oil goes further down, even with all the oil field I secured. Nevertheless, soon the winter will hit and I will try to save as much oil as possible for the next spring.
In the the south of the Soviet union the Axis Army encircle more Soviet units and secure the Maikop oil field:
I hope that the Romanian and Hungarian MECHs will link up with the two German INF before Winter hits, which will at least secure Maikop for the Axis.
In the Middle East the Italian MECH is encircled by Allied units, but the German Panzer Corps rushes towards Ahwaz to relieve it:
I also moved my damaged naval units towards European ports and then I spot an Allied invasion fleet near northern Spain:
Unfortunately I move already some of my naval units near Gibraltar, so I could only move some of my naval assets towards the transports. Nevertheless, if King Hunter does not land in Spain immediately, his transports will be sunk quickly as they do not have any escorts at all.
Another Allied invasion fleet is spotted near Canada:
where will these transports go? I only have the Italian SUB and a German SUB nearby, which means I will wait before I have more forces at hand to strike at these transports.
Furthermore, the Red Army is victorious in Finland and Oslo will fall next turn:
My oil goes further down, even with all the oil field I secured. Nevertheless, soon the winter will hit and I will try to save as much oil as possible for the next spring.
I wonder if he has left any US cities undefended for a surprise landing?
The loss of Finland is the first blow to the axis cause - I would still reinforce the corps in Finland in the hope the weather turns bad and you hold out for another turn as well. This at least prevents the russians from sending the forces elsewhere to provide an attack when winter hits.
The loss of Finland is the first blow to the axis cause - I would still reinforce the corps in Finland in the hope the weather turns bad and you hold out for another turn as well. This at least prevents the russians from sending the forces elsewhere to provide an attack when winter hits.
I wonder if he has left any US cities undefended for a surprise landing?
The loss of Finland is the first blow to the axis cause - I would still reinforce the corps in Finland in the hope the weather turns bad and you hold out for another turn as well. This at least prevents the russians from sending the forces elsewhere to provide an attack when winter hits.
The loss of Finland is the first blow to the axis cause - I would still reinforce the corps in Finland in the hope the weather turns bad and you hold out for another turn as well. This at least prevents the russians from sending the forces elsewhere to provide an attack when winter hits.
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massina_nz
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Not really. According to the screenshots it was not a great result. If I remember correctly King Hunter repaired it back to 8 steps and I brought it down to 6 steps, so only a 2:0 result, if I remember correctly. Why do you ask?massina_nz wrote:Can you remember what kind of results you got when you attacked the FTR based in Ahwaz
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massina_nz
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Well I was hpoing this AAR would demonstrate that the current 'gamey' practice of defending with air units would become less efficable in v2.0zechi wrote:Not really. According to the screenshots it was not a great result. If I remember correctly King Hunter repaired it back to 8 steps and I brought it down to 6 steps, so only a 2:0 result, if I remember correctly. Why do you ask?massina_nz wrote:Can you remember what kind of results you got when you attacked the FTR based in Ahwaz
Turn 58 - British commando raids shock Italian High Command! Allied invasion fleet attacked near Portugal!
Italian High Command is shocked as British commandos take Palermo and Taranto in a surprise landing. However, Axis reaction is quick an forces rush to defend the Italian cities from more raids. Furthermore, Italian divisions are sent to Malta and Cyprus to take both Islands as they are undefended:
At first I was really shocked about this move, but as I was sure that there was not a third British unit left in the Med, the situation can be handled easily with few Italian and German INF.
In the Atlantic I engage the Allied invasion fleets:
As the Allies do not have any DD or BB in sight, they will not be able to supply any invasion of Portugal an the transports will be quickly destroyed if they stay at sea!
In the Middle East I attack Bagdad, take a Persian oil field and rush towards Ahwaz to safe the Italian MECH:
In southern Russian the weather is muddy. Nevertheless I can link up with my amphibious invasion force and the Maikop oil field:
As soon as severe winter hits, the Axis forces could get in trouble as there are significant Soviet forces assembled in the south.
Last but not least Finland finally falls:
Italian High Command is shocked as British commandos take Palermo and Taranto in a surprise landing. However, Axis reaction is quick an forces rush to defend the Italian cities from more raids. Furthermore, Italian divisions are sent to Malta and Cyprus to take both Islands as they are undefended:
At first I was really shocked about this move, but as I was sure that there was not a third British unit left in the Med, the situation can be handled easily with few Italian and German INF.
In the Atlantic I engage the Allied invasion fleets:
As the Allies do not have any DD or BB in sight, they will not be able to supply any invasion of Portugal an the transports will be quickly destroyed if they stay at sea!
In the Middle East I attack Bagdad, take a Persian oil field and rush towards Ahwaz to safe the Italian MECH:
In southern Russian the weather is muddy. Nevertheless I can link up with my amphibious invasion force and the Maikop oil field:
As soon as severe winter hits, the Axis forces could get in trouble as there are significant Soviet forces assembled in the south.
Last but not least Finland finally falls:
Turn 59 - Allied transports take heavy losses in Atlantic! Axis retake Ahwaz!
In the Atlantic the Allied transport rush towards the waypoint as the Axis navy pursue them:
I destroy some transports and damage others, but some will make through the waypoints. It wil be interesting if KH sends them towards the Red Sea or to Persia.
In the Middle East the German Panzer Corps takes Ahwaz:
In southern Russia I repair and refit most units:
I hope to get to Grozny nevertheless, as there do not seem to be much Soviet units in the area.
In Italy there is a surprise:
I did not expect the SUBs in the Med. Nevertheless, this does not change anything, since with two GAR KingHunter cannot get a third Italian city.
In the Atlantic the Allied transport rush towards the waypoint as the Axis navy pursue them:
I destroy some transports and damage others, but some will make through the waypoints. It wil be interesting if KH sends them towards the Red Sea or to Persia.
In the Middle East the German Panzer Corps takes Ahwaz:
In southern Russia I repair and refit most units:
I hope to get to Grozny nevertheless, as there do not seem to be much Soviet units in the area.
In Italy there is a surprise:
I did not expect the SUBs in the Med. Nevertheless, this does not change anything, since with two GAR KingHunter cannot get a third Italian city.
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trulster
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For all of KH's many mistakes it looks like the Allies still could deliver a knockout to the meagre Axis commitment to the Middle East. You seem too spread out and if the Allies are successful your marginal oil situation will be in serious trouble - it takes quite some time to get there but maybe some more reinforcements for Iraq/Persia?
Turn 60 - Persia surrenders! Naval battle in southern Atlantic!
My Italian INF could get Tehran this turn as KingHunter did not rail a unit there (most likely he could not do it!):
With some luck his Soviet units will be out of supply next turn.
In the Atlantic I engage the Allied transports and some DD defending it. I also run into two US SUBs!:
In southern Russia I upgrade as many units as I can and go into better defensive positions:
I also engage the British Commandos in Taranto:
My oil begins to regenerate and I end the turn with more then 100 oil. I will save as much oil as I can the next few turns for spring 1943. However, the Germans get manpower problems.
My Italian INF could get Tehran this turn as KingHunter did not rail a unit there (most likely he could not do it!):
With some luck his Soviet units will be out of supply next turn.
In the Atlantic I engage the Allied transports and some DD defending it. I also run into two US SUBs!:
In southern Russia I upgrade as many units as I can and go into better defensive positions:
I also engage the British Commandos in Taranto:
My oil begins to regenerate and I end the turn with more then 100 oil. I will save as much oil as I can the next few turns for spring 1943. However, the Germans get manpower problems.
Turn 61 - Bagdad taken! Axis naval forces return to their ports. Army Group South digs in!
This turn I stay defensive in the east:
I don't use my airforce at all and try to save as much oil as possible. I move most ARM and MECH away from the frontline out of harms way and for upgrades.
In the Atlantic the remnants of the Allied navy dissolves and did not strike at my damaged BB. I also move my forces back to ports for upgrades and repairs:
One German BB runs into a badly damages US SUB and brings it down to 1 step.
In the Middle East the situation looks good after the surrender of Persia. Some Persian units dissappeared and I take Bagdad without a fight:
I withdrew my ARM and attacked the US Bomber, but the damage was not very good.
I also destroy the Soviet MECH, but the remaining units could take as Persian city and are resupplied again:
There are only 3 Soviet units in the north, which will not be a problem to handle, especially as my reinforcements will soon reach the theater.
I also saved a lot of oil this turn and finish it with about 140 oil. I now produces 73 oil per turn.
This turn I stay defensive in the east:
I don't use my airforce at all and try to save as much oil as possible. I move most ARM and MECH away from the frontline out of harms way and for upgrades.
In the Atlantic the remnants of the Allied navy dissolves and did not strike at my damaged BB. I also move my forces back to ports for upgrades and repairs:
One German BB runs into a badly damages US SUB and brings it down to 1 step.
In the Middle East the situation looks good after the surrender of Persia. Some Persian units dissappeared and I take Bagdad without a fight:
I withdrew my ARM and attacked the US Bomber, but the damage was not very good.
I also destroy the Soviet MECH, but the remaining units could take as Persian city and are resupplied again:
There are only 3 Soviet units in the north, which will not be a problem to handle, especially as my reinforcements will soon reach the theater.
I also saved a lot of oil this turn and finish it with about 140 oil. I now produces 73 oil per turn.
Turn 62 - Axis still on the defense in Russia! Panzer Corps retreats from Basra area!
Not much happened this turn. I get more Panzer upgrades and Tiger reach the frontline. I also take a city in southern Russia, which will be a springboard for my offensive against Grozny in 1943:
In the Middle East I retreat from the Basra area with my Panzer Corps. I also move the Luftwaffe towards Bagdad:
Next turn Manstein will take command of the Middle Eastern German forces. His great command range will be perfect for this theater.
I also engage two convoys in the Atlantic as most of my naval units are moved to ports for repairs/upgrades. I also liberated Taranto this turn.
Not much happened this turn. I get more Panzer upgrades and Tiger reach the frontline. I also take a city in southern Russia, which will be a springboard for my offensive against Grozny in 1943:
In the Middle East I retreat from the Basra area with my Panzer Corps. I also move the Luftwaffe towards Bagdad:
Next turn Manstein will take command of the Middle Eastern German forces. His great command range will be perfect for this theater.
I also engage two convoys in the Atlantic as most of my naval units are moved to ports for repairs/upgrades. I also liberated Taranto this turn.
Turn 63 - Waiting for spring
Another quite turn as the Axis Army in Russia waits for its spring offensive and saves oil:
However, I could lose Kharkov, but this will not be a big problem and I plan to retake it as soon as the weather turns fair.
In the Middle East the Allies mass their Armies in the north (Soviets) and south (US and Brits):
Manstein took command of the MECH Corps and the ARM is upgraded with Tiger tanks.
I end the turn with 223 oil and produce now 80 oil per turn.
The big question is what I should do in 1943? I could either go on the defensive in Russia and hold out as long as possible, with sone local counterattacks Then I should easily gain a lot of oil, which will bring me through the rest of the war. The other option is to cut off the Caucasus, take Baku, Stalingrad and at least try to get to Baku.
Another quite turn as the Axis Army in Russia waits for its spring offensive and saves oil:
However, I could lose Kharkov, but this will not be a big problem and I plan to retake it as soon as the weather turns fair.
In the Middle East the Allies mass their Armies in the north (Soviets) and south (US and Brits):
Manstein took command of the MECH Corps and the ARM is upgraded with Tiger tanks.
I end the turn with 223 oil and produce now 80 oil per turn.
The big question is what I should do in 1943? I could either go on the defensive in Russia and hold out as long as possible, with sone local counterattacks Then I should easily gain a lot of oil, which will bring me through the rest of the war. The other option is to cut off the Caucasus, take Baku, Stalingrad and at least try to get to Baku.
I think you should do something in the middle. It is too early to go on the defensive in Russia, because your frontline is overstretched and the Soviets have a lot of units. On the other hand, reaching for the Caucasus would overstretched your frontline even more, and cost a lot of oil. Despite you having some oil fields in the Middle East, your upgraded units will cost a LOT of oil in 1944. You don't want to be caught out of oil when the Allies make their comeback in Europe.zechi wrote:(...)
The big question is what I should do in 1943? I could either go on the defensive in Russia and hold out as long as possible, with sone local counterattacks Then I should easily gain a lot of oil, which will bring me through the rest of the war. The other option is to cut off the Caucasus, take Baku, Stalingrad and at least try to get to Baku.
So my suggestion would be to go on local offensives in Russia, with the aims to reduce the length of your frontline and destroy as much offensive capability of the Soviets as possible. You can leave the area SE of Rostov, because it has no real strategic value for you. Also, take the Crimea. If the Allies place STRs there and bomb Ploesti to smithereens, your oil fields in the Middle East will not save you. In 1944, your TACs will do less damage to Russian ARMs, and will burn more oil. Use them now, and hunt down Soviet MECHs and ARMs.
I would say to go for high end oil units (Mechs, Armour and Air).
Mechs and Armour will limit the loss of manpower and you should then be able to outproduce the Russians (especially with no convoys coming through).
I would definably go for Stallingrad and slowly build up a force for a strike at Moscow (outside of spotting range).
Starve the Russian beast from PP's and you will not only survive but win an ultimate victory.
THat said I always go for the killing blow and this is not everybodys style - currently I am very much admiring the play from Plaid who is making a go of a very difficult game that I thought was lost.
Mechs and Armour will limit the loss of manpower and you should then be able to outproduce the Russians (especially with no convoys coming through).
I would definably go for Stallingrad and slowly build up a force for a strike at Moscow (outside of spotting range).
Starve the Russian beast from PP's and you will not only survive but win an ultimate victory.
THat said I always go for the killing blow and this is not everybodys style - currently I am very much admiring the play from Plaid who is making a go of a very difficult game that I thought was lost.
Turn 64 - Axis move toward Grozny! Red Army moves into Persia again!
Not much happening this turn. I moves some units towards Grozny and the oil field is not guarded. Perhaps I can capture it without a big fight.
I also lose Kharkov, which I expected. But my counterstrike destroys two Soviet MECHs.
In the Middle East King Hunter sents a sizable force of the Red Army towards Persia, but it will take some time until they can strike at my units. To avoid a two front confrotation I decide to strike at the US and British forces near Basra and nearly destroy an US INF:
I end the turn with more then 260 oil.
Not much happening this turn. I moves some units towards Grozny and the oil field is not guarded. Perhaps I can capture it without a big fight.
I also lose Kharkov, which I expected. But my counterstrike destroys two Soviet MECHs.
In the Middle East King Hunter sents a sizable force of the Red Army towards Persia, but it will take some time until they can strike at my units. To avoid a two front confrotation I decide to strike at the US and British forces near Basra and nearly destroy an US INF:
I end the turn with more then 260 oil.
Turn 65 - Axis destroy US forces near Basra! Oil field of Grozny threatened!
In the Middle East I attack an US MECH near Basra with my ARM and MECH. A badly damaged US INF is destroyed by air attack:
In northern Persia the Red Army is reinforced and moves towards Tehran:
However, my spearhead units reeach the oil fields of Grozny and are in position to take it next turn.
In southern Rusia the Soviet offensive continues and I redeploy my defensive line a little bit:
I also got another level of Dog Fight. As soon as good weather hits, I will try to devastate the Soviet air force.
In the Middle East I attack an US MECH near Basra with my ARM and MECH. A badly damaged US INF is destroyed by air attack:
In northern Persia the Red Army is reinforced and moves towards Tehran:
However, my spearhead units reeach the oil fields of Grozny and are in position to take it next turn.
In southern Rusia the Soviet offensive continues and I redeploy my defensive line a little bit:
I also got another level of Dog Fight. As soon as good weather hits, I will try to devastate the Soviet air force.