AAR: Operation Barbarossa-Fortress Europa(no Massina please)

[Crazygunner1]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This can´t be happening, i take my hat of for Massina, that was a real good counter blow!!!

Quickest italian surrender i have ever seen.....ha ha

[zechi]

If you pull off a real good Barbarossa and Massina does some mistakes with the Soviets, then there is still a small chance that you can win this game.

Why did you left with the German units from Egypt? It was out of question that you get the Middle Eastern oil with your small German force, but you could have taken the Suez channel and the Med would be closed.

[afk_nero]

It's not all over - you will get tons of PP's I say still push in Africa and go for oil. You could still do a very strong Barbarossa.

Alternativly you could take Rome and use allies to hold Italy with some German air. It's not over by a long shot I would say - it's just a little more difficult.

I have also caught someone out like this as well - I was utterly defeated in Africa - my opponent was racing into Iraq and had closed of themed in Spain - I snuck a garrison into Rome as he thought he had full control and his fortunes where suddenly reversed - that said it was still a very difficult game for both sides.

[afk_nero]

It's not all over - you will get tons of PP's I say still push in Africa and go for oil. You could still do a very strong Barbarossa.

Alternativly you could take Rome and use allies to hold Italy with some German air. It's not over by a long shot I would say - it's just a little more difficult.

I have also caught someone out like this as well - I was utterly defeated in Africa - my opponent was racing into Iraq and had closed of themed in Spain - I snuck a garrison into Rome as he thought he had full control and his fortunes where suddenly reversed - that said it was still a very difficult game for both sides.

[supermax]

It's not all over - you will get tons of PP's I say still push in Africa and go for oil. You could still do a very strong Barbarossa.

Alternativly you could take Rome and use allies to hold Italy with some German air. It's not over by a long shot I would say - it's just a little more difficult.

I have also caught someone out like this as well - I was utterly defeated in Africa - my opponent was racing into Iraq and had closed of themed in Spain - I snuck a garrison into Rome as he thought he had full control and his fortunes where suddenly reversed - that said it was still a very difficult game for both sides.

ooohhh no its not over, by a long mile. Ive got different plans now hey?

I cant go for oil right now i have no supply and no reinforcements. So it will be Barbarossa all the way i guess!

hehehe

[trulster]

What a move!

Well on the bright side, you managed to avoid paying that Italian debt of -150 PPs

[supermax]

What a move!

Well on the bright side, you managed to avoid paying that Italian debt of -150 PPs

LOL my biggest error ever in CEAW. Total overlook i was focused on the Middle East only.

We will see how that turns out, but i maybee can resist to the end?

[Crazygunner1]

With the fall of Italy the PPs will go to germany, so you probbably won´t have any trouble there when it comes to production. If you are not already doing it, you might wanna focus on organisation instead of industry when it comes to research, since you need to have elite quality troops that take fewer casualties. Obviously manpower will be and issue not PP. Might i suggest that you shift focus in infantry and tank to fixed defence and armour also.

These changes might not feel important in the beginning, but as the game progress and you get that extra survivabilty in both tank and infantry, will really make a difference in the long run. Especially when retreating....

These 3 small changes might save you 10-20% in manpower during the course of the game.

Crazyg

[supermax]

With the fall of Italy the PPs will go to germany, so you probbably won´t have any trouble there when it comes to production. If you are not already doing it, you might wanna focus on organisation instead of industry when it comes to research, since you need to have elite quality troops that take fewer casualties. Obviously manpower will be and issue not PP. Might i suggest that you shift focus in infantry and tank to fixed defence and armour also.

These changes might not feel important in the beginning, but as the game progress and you get that extra survivabilty in both tank and infantry, will really make a difference in the long run. Especially when retreating....

These 3 small changes might save you 10-20% in manpower during the course of the game.

Crazyg

Hey Grazyg, thanks for the tips, i will put them to good use. I havent abandonned this game by the way. I think i can still have some impact on the Russians adn if i play smartly, i can still pull this off. Nothing to show on the screen capture side of things, i am busy reorganizing my shift toward Russia...

[Crazygunner1]

With the fall of Italy the PPs will go to germany, so you probbably won´t have any trouble there when it comes to production. If you are not already doing it, you might wanna focus on organisation instead of industry when it comes to research, since you need to have elite quality troops that take fewer casualties. Obviously manpower will be and issue not PP. Might i suggest that you shift focus in infantry and tank to fixed defence and armour also.

These changes might not feel important in the beginning, but as the game progress and you get that extra survivabilty in both tank and infantry, will really make a difference in the long run. Especially when retreating....

These 3 small changes might save you 10-20% in manpower during the course of the game.

Crazyg

Hey Grazyg, thanks for the tips, i will put them to good use. I havent abandonned this game by the way. I think i can still have some impact on the Russians adn if i play smartly, i can still pull this off. Nothing to show on the screen capture side of things, i am busy reorganizing my shift toward Russia...

That´s good, the fun part in this game is when a plan goes south and you have to improvise.....that´s a real challange

[supermax]

I havent finalized my "new plan" as i obviously have to find a great one to make this work, because with Italy's surrender went half of my oil.

But it will surely involve something looking like "going for broke in Russia or win big".

Ahhh damn error it would have been nice to see my middle eastern campaign unfolding! hahaha

[Crazygunner1]

I am myself up to my neck in operation Sealion against Jeerock, had a really good start and France fell in January 1940 so i decided to go for Sealion. But he is really good at defending that island, first turn i wasn´t able to land, now second turn is coming up, if i am lucky there might be a crack in the defense.

So i might have to improvise from here on also.

Do you have any suggestions on how to get ashore? I can land on 16 squares in total(he covered them all), have 6 subs to defend landingships and 3 fighters supported with 5 tacs and 1 str. Ofcourse one BB and DD.

It is only beginning of June so far, if i don´t get a break during the next 2 turns, i will probably have to abort, then try and destroy as much RN as possible and go for Norway, Denmark and Yugoslavia then prepare for Barbarossa.

Crazyg

[supermax]

I am myself up to my neck in operation Sealion against Jeerock, had a really good start and France fell in January 1940 so i decided to go for Sealion. But he is really good at defending that island, first turn i wasn´t able to land, now second turn is coming up, if i am lucky there might be a crack in the defense.

So i might have to improvise from here on also.

Do you have any suggestions on how to get ashore? I can land on 16 squares in total(he covered them all), have 6 subs to defend landingships and 3 fighters supported with 5 tacs and 1 str. Ofcourse one BB and DD.

It is only beginning of June so far, if i don´t get a break during the next 2 turns, i will probably have to abort, then try and destroy as much RN as possible and go for Norway, Denmark and Yugoslavia then prepare for Barbarossa.

Crazyg

MMM

Well lets just say that i never had a player succeeding a sealion against me. Joerock tried in our current game and failed. Honestly, its difficult to do against a determined british player.

I only go for Sealion if the British commited forces in France thus depleting his defense of the british islands. If you have 16 hexe covered by Joe, its either to add more transport and try to overwhelm him or abort.

Another trick you can try is to bomb a GAR or several depending on the numebr of TACS. HE must be srained to the MAX. Maybee he also left Scapa Flow and Ireland empty, you might wan to -to look at that as well.

[Crazygunner1]

He is really good in defending Brittain!!!!

Thanks for the advice....

[Crazygunner1]

I have always thought Sealion to be a gamble, now i got it confirmed...he he he

[supermax]

Nothing to report... Yet.

German units going into their forward positions for the Last ditch attack on Russia...

Its been quite a longhaul to get back into attacking position after having to reposition the whole german army. After the fact, i do not think i would have been able to pull off a strong Barbarossa, simply because most troops needed to be re-positionned.

It should be a fairly strong russian offensive. 6+ TACS, 6+ Tanks, many MECHS... So i want to speed as fast as possible toward Moscow and take it in one stroke, after which i will switch to the defensive for the rest of the game.

[Crazygunner1]

Nothing to report... Yet.

German units going into their forward positions for the Last ditch attack on Russia...

Its been quite a longhaul to get back into attacking position after having to reposition the whole german army. After the fact, i do not think i would have been able to pull off a strong Barbarossa, simply because most troops needed to be re-positionned.

It should be a fairly strong russian offensive. 6+ TACS, 6+ Tanks, many MECHS... So i want to speed as fast as possible toward Moscow and take it in one stroke, after which i will switch to the defensive for the rest of the game.

How do you plan to open you offensive? What will the northern army group consist of in therms of Tacs, tanks ans Mechs?

Crazyg

[supermax]

Nothing to report... Yet.

German units going into their forward positions for the Last ditch attack on Russia...

Its been quite a longhaul to get back into attacking position after having to reposition the whole german army. After the fact, i do not think i would have been able to pull off a strong Barbarossa, simply because most troops needed to be re-positionned.

It should be a fairly strong russian offensive. 6+ TACS, 6+ Tanks, many MECHS... So i want to speed as fast as possible toward Moscow and take it in one stroke, after which i will switch to the defensive for the rest of the game.

How do you plan to open you offensive? What will the northern army group consist of in therms of Tacs, tanks ans Mechs?

Crazyg

I have said what i wanted to say , sorry mate.

You will see this soon, we are now in march, lets just say we are probably 3-5 turns away max from barbarossa

[supermax]

Well, its has been a long, long time to brood over my failure to garrison Italy. Just thinking about how i would have crushed Massina makes me pissed off big time... hehehe

But... This game isnt lost. I think that with decent russian punching and some well laid western defense, i can still pull it off.

Here is how i think i will try to make this work:


Operation Barbarossa Army group North


Operation barbarossa army group south


Italian theater


Spanish theatre


French theatre

[supermax]

Panzer forces deployment in central Poland, south of Varsaw


Troops deployment in the difficult norh-eastern hungarian woodlands

More troops moving to the crowded front in the north, near Koenigsberg





First light bombing raids on ODessa on the black sea


Bombers fliying high in preperation to enter soviet airspace.