Slitherine

Blade0 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:20 am I have noticed that - based on game statistics - Kv-1 1942 is a serious downgrade compared to the famous (or feared) KV-1 1941. I started researching if this was indeed a blunder of the Soviet design bureaus, or there is some mistake here.
What happens in the game files is that 1942 KV-1 gains a simple point of armor, while speed drops 1 point from 5 to 4 (along with the fuel it carries).
What I have found so far is that Soviets added extra armor, and maybe changed the construction of the turret, increased carried ammo slightly, thus increasing the tank's weight by 2 tons, from 45 to 47 tons, and retaining the same 600HP V-12 engine called "V2". While the sustained speed of the vehicle dropped, the armor increase should have been considerable, at least on paper.
The KV-1(and -2) is really going obsolete in 1942-43, but not because they're getting considerably worse. The Wermacht is introducing a new chassis "Tiger", and upgrades PzIII-PzIV turrets so even the KV-1 armor, which was virtually impenetrable in 1941 by tanks, starts to be inadequate. They're trying to make it faster by removing armor (KV1S), or retrofit the chassis with the new IS turret (KV-85), but the chassis is outdated, so it will be retired and playing a secondary role beside the more successful T-34 and IS series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgm3i34ess8

So, what do you think? Was is really worth 1 point of ground defense what they did to the armor? Was the speed drop for the extra 2 tons so great that it reduced the vehicle's speed considerably?
Actually the stats look like they were taken directly from Wikipedia, and the source is an 1984 book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-1_tank#Comparisons

Blade0 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 6:18 pm Well, as I see, no one got past Wikipedia.
Whatever, seems I am the only one interested.
Let's just say that we have no evidence the game data is incorrect - we just don't have sufficient data, as very few KV-1 tanks survived the war, and those are either early models, or very late models custom modified.

Akkula wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:46 pm Stats are not that bad.
What it bothers me is the game is using the same model for both versions . They had clearly different base of the turret.

Retributarr wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:04 am

Akkula wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:46 pm Stats are not that bad.
What it bothers me is the game is using the same model for both versions . They had clearly different base of the turret.

Akkula wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 1:10 am

Retributarr wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:04 am

Akkula wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:46 pm Stats are not that bad.
What it bothers me is the game is using the same model for both versions . They had clearly different base of the turret.

Man, I was talking about the KV-1 variants.....