Slitherine

Well, finally signed up as my army starts to get assembled. The Ancients players have dragged me back in and away from FoW at my club. FoG convinced me to actually invest in my own army - and 4 months after buying it I am getting round to the dreaded painting.

So, Hi y'all and I have one question on the army lists.

In various places certain units are described as upgrades. Do these units count against the either maximum or minimum limits for their base type (the troops they are an upgrade from) or is the description literally just context rather than rules?

Thanks
Tim

upgrades. Do these units count against the either maximum or minimum limits for their base type (the troops they are an upgrade from)

Yes. They count as taken from the original entry line. So if the original line said:

"Spearmen - MF - Average - Protected - drilled - - - Lt Spear - - - BG 6-8 - Total 6 - 16"

and the upgrade:

"Upgrade Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen - BG 4-8 - Total 0-8"

(if only)

If you took all 8 of the upgrade you would not have to take any from the original line (you have taken more than the minmimum 6). You could also only take a maximum of 8 from the original line along with the 8 upgraded

Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Ancient British if Simon get's his way....

carlos wrote:Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Steve P

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Yeah - they didn't exist either....

dave_r wrote:

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Yeah - they didn't exist either....

But.... but... but...

Those are clearly the 'generic' Byzantine soldiers.

Elves.. as if.

dave_r wrote:

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Yeah - they didn't exist either....

Not even in the book.

But seeing Porky Elf getting his chips was worthwhile.

Elves, we hates them - especially most of the rugby ones ...

Thanks for the info

I assume therefore that the same answer holds true for those units where the term 'Replace..' is used instead of 'Upgrade..' or 'Downgrade...'

Tim

without wishing to get into an argument about elfs yes

Yes pointless arguments are irritating. It's "Elves" BTW.

Paul

I agree, But if its dwarfs why is it not elfs?

stenic wrote:

carlos wrote:Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Steve P

Aside from Legolas himself, there were no elves at Helm's Deep

Not in Tolkien, anyway. Given some of the other crap Peter Jackson did, who knows what happened in the movie?

philqw78 wrote:I agree, But if its dwarfs why is it not elfs?

It isn't. It is dwarves.

lol... Goodlord.. Elves and Dwarves is correct.. I love silly posts!

Technically, pre-JRR Tolkien it was elfs and dwarfs - he hated that, and the "elfs" bit was associated more with fairies, and other miniature types. He created "Elves" for his statueque, lordly types - similar vein for "dwarfs" vs "Dwarves". Look in a really old dictionary.

Rather than a substantive comment I'll just refer matters Elvish and Dwarven that are FOG-related to http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FoG_fantasy/

without wishing to get into an argument about elfs yes

There's always at least one who wants to. But its dwarfs and elfs AFAIC