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The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies)
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:54 am
by Morris
Hi everyone :
At first , I must say thank you to Mr Peterjfrigate for his article of Dyle plan ! It is a great article which well expressed the main idea of my Allies bliz strategy ! On my English lvl , it is difficult for me to accomplish an article like that !
To prove the theory Peter expressed , I start 2 AAR with Diplomaticus & Peterjfrigate (I will call them Diplo & Peter , their name is too difficult to my poor spelling ability ) to show how does this strategy works . BTW, the AAR with Joe is an exception . After the improvement of the original strategy , It is impossible to repeat Joe's great victory .
Turn one Sept 1 1939 fair
Axis Bliz Polland . But we found an arm absent from the attack with another INF . So It seems Axis will probably launch a bliz in the west next turn .
Allies launched bliz on Belgium & conquer it . Pollish did brave suside attack before their last minute .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:34 am
by avoran
The important thing, it seems to me, is to do this on turn one (or under other circumstances where you know the Germans won't have a unit in position to take unoccupied Liege). Right?
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:57 am
by Morris
avoran wrote:The important thing, it seems to me, is to do this on turn one (or under other circumstances where you know the Germans won't have a unit in position to take unoccupied Liege). Right?
it is difficult for a axis unit to accomplish this mission when a corp is around Liege . If you want to confirm this , you'd better to do it on turn 2. I did it on turn 1 is I thought Axis would bliz me on turn two .(the absent of arm & INF)
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:48 am
by Cybvep
Interesting. The Dyle Plan seems like an interesting strategy, but in order to determine its effectiveness a full game has to be played, i.e. right to the end, because at a glance the DP seems to have several bad long-term effects.
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:47 pm
by Crazygunner1
Anyone know what the effects are of pps lost in convoy and US production? I mean is it 6% for the rest of the game or does it gradually increase to normal?
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:38 pm
by Morris
Crazygunner1 wrote:Anyone know what the effects are of pps lost in convoy and US production? I mean is it 6% for the rest of the game or does it gradually increase to normal?
We will caculate it later . Actually , Is it important to USA when USSR may come with full strength ?

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:40 pm
by avoran
Morris wrote:Actually , Is it important to USA when USSR may come with full strength ?

I don't know about the game rules, but historically anything that affected the Americans' commitment to the war effort would also have affected the size of the convoys heading to Murmansk.

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:46 pm
by Crazygunner1
Morris wrote:Crazygunner1 wrote:Anyone know what the effects are of pps lost in convoy and US production? I mean is it 6% for the rest of the game or does it gradually increase to normal?
We will caculate it later . Actually , Is it important to USA when USSR may come with full strength ?

If you can hold off the Axis long enough in France, then no
But there is always a counter tactic to consider
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:31 am
by Morris
Crazygunner1 wrote:Morris wrote:Crazygunner1 wrote:Anyone know what the effects are of pps lost in convoy and US production? I mean is it 6% for the rest of the game or does it gradually increase to normal?
We will caculate it later . Actually , Is it important to USA when USSR may come with full strength ?

If you can hold off the Axis long enough in France, then no
But there is always a counter tactic to consider
You are quite right sir ! Tac & counter tac are always in upgrading ..

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:35 am
by Morris
Turn 2 Sept 21 1939 fair
Warsaw was so lucky to be a red one ! But no troops to do more suiside attack . In the west , Germans move into Belgium offense position .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:58 am
by Morris
Turn 3 Oct 11th 1939 fair
Axis troops move more into Belgium ,but no offense & I did not find the absent tank . Maybe Axis will attack Holland first ?
BTW , my CV was attacked by two sub & lost 5 steps & in return Axis lost 6 steps sub . It was not a good business

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:40 am
by Crazygunner1
Big mistake by Peter and not moving in to take the fortress. Now you can hold the line probably the greater part of 1940. Perhaps even longer if he doesn´t produce adequate airforces. The only othere alternative for him would be to go thorugh the Maginot line
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:39 am
by Cybvep
The Axis needs to focus on air units. They need at least 4 TACs. Also, depending on how Morris uses his navy, rejecting the armistice and going for the Sea Lion and 1942 Barbarossa should be considered.
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:53 pm
by Morris
Crazygunner1 wrote:Big mistake by Peter and not moving in to take the fortress. Now you can hold the line probably the greater part of 1940. Perhaps even longer if he doesn´t produce adequate airforces. The only othere alternative for him would be to go thorugh the Maginot line
Peter did want to move in to Liege , but He can't make it because of ZOC .
Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:48 pm
by Morris
Turn 4 Oct 31 1939 mud
since weather turn bad , Peter give up full offense in Belgium but kill a Gar beside Brusell & Preparing for the attack in next fair day .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:26 am
by Morris
turn 5 Nov 20th 1939 fair
It seems the last fair day of 1939 , Axis give up the attack but move into the offense position of next fair day .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:33 am
by Morris
Turn 6 Dec 10th 1939 winter
No fight this turn but Axis's sub 's attack .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:07 am
by Morris
Turn 7 Dec 30th 1939 winter
Axis Dow Holland . It seems Axis want to kill Holland before fair weather coming ,sothat they can concentrate their power to attack France at the first fair day . They kill 2 Holland Gars , but did not attack Hague.

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:19 am
by Morris
Turn 8 Jan 19th 1940 winter
Quiet turn . Axis seems stop attack Holland & wait for fair turn .

Re: The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:44 pm
by peterjfrigate
Our game is ahead of this AAR, which is why Morris invited me to contribute. I've had 3 continuous turns of mud through the winter, so my plans are on hold for now.