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Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:36 pm
by rkr1958
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:06 am
by Crazygunner1
Is it worth it, paying 53pps to knock out Tallinn an getting maybe one turn head start on attacking Leningrad with 2 german corps?
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:57 am
by rkr1958
Crazygunner1 wrote:Is it worth it, paying 53pps to knock out Tallinn an getting maybe one turn head start on attacking Leningrad with 2 german corps?
The normal cost is 16 PP's; i.e., the cost of two amphibious invasions.
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:17 am
by Morris
The 32 turn is May 13th 1941 ,not May 8th .
If Axis make up their mind to take Leningrad ,it is worthy . But If Axis 's main offensive is in the south , it will become not necessary .
The cost of this stategy should be 8+8+10=26 pp( 8 for per transport, 10 for para)
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:18 pm
by Crazygunner1
rkr1958 wrote:Crazygunner1 wrote:Is it worth it, paying 53pps to knock out Tallinn an getting maybe one turn head start on attacking Leningrad with 2 german corps?
The normal cost is 16 PP's; i.e., the cost of two amphibious invasions.
What about the paradrops? You had to make 2 of them, thats another 15pp x 2 = 30pps. Maybe you can do it with just one?
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:20 pm
by Crazygunner1
Crazygunner1 wrote:Is it worth it, paying 53pps to knock out Tallinn an getting maybe one turn head start on attacking Leningrad with 2 german corps?
Makes it 46pp

Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:04 pm
by rkr1958
Crazygunner1 wrote:Crazygunner1 wrote:Is it worth it, paying 53pps to knock out Tallinn an getting maybe one turn head start on attacking Leningrad with 2 german corps?
Makes it 46pp

Sure; but I usually use that paradrop somewhere else. And, I'd say 70 to 80% I can take Tallinn without having to use any paradrops.
I don't always execute this gambit. In fact, I'd say I try it probably 1/3 of the time. The upside is that it's nice to get that pesky Red sub group out of the way. And I find that it draws a lot of Russian forces to the north to defend Leningrad. This is a nice side benefit; especially when your main push is going to be through the center towards Moscow. Or, is it as telegraph going to be straight for Leningrad?

Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:28 pm
by rkr1958
Morris wrote:The 32 turn is May 13th 1941 ,not May 8th .
If Axis make up their mind to take Leningrad ,it is worthy . But If Axis 's main offensive is in the south , it will become not necessary .
The cost of this stategy should be 8+8+10=26 pp( 8 for per transport, 10 for para)
Morris, thanks. Corrected; but the updated slide isn't showing even after I hit refresh. It was updated, uploaded and replaced the original slide (photobucket). Though the update isn't showing, it's been updated.
With respect to cost, here's the results from my 10 trials:
1-5. TAC-BB-TAC-Inf-Inf* (16 PP's).
6. TAC-BB-TAC-Inf-Inf*-A/B-A/B (16 + 20 PP's = 36 PP's).
7. TAC-BB-TAC-Inf-Inf*-A/B (26 PP's).
8-10. TAC-BB-TAC-Inf-Inf* (16 PP's).
So the average cost over those 10 trials was 19 PP's. But; I like to look at broken down by percentage: 16 PP's -- 80%, 26 PP's -- 10% and 36 PP's -- 10%. Though, to really get a more exact breakdown I will need to run more trials, which I think I'll do. 25 trials should be enough. I'll report back when I have the results.
Re: Strategy Article - The Tallinn Gambit
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:12 pm
by rkr1958