Slitherine

I'm thinking about a later sicilian army for my new army in 2011. Here are a couple of lists I'm contemplating. All comments welcomed.

4xTC
3x6 LF, Unprot, Ave, Drilled Bow (Saracen archers)
1x6 LF, Unprot, Poor, Undrilled Crossbow (communal crossbow)
1x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Jav, Lt Spear (Berbers)
2x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
2x4 LH, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
3x8 HF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Def Sp (Feudal spearmen...)
1x4 Cv, Arm, Ave, Drilled, Lance, Sw (Saracens)
2x4 Kn, Hv Arm, Sup, Undrilled, Lance, Sw

or

4xTC
3x6 LF, Unprot, Ave, Drilled, Bow (Saracen archers)
1x6 LF, Unprot, Poor, Undrilled, Crossbow (communcal crossbow)
1x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Jav, Lt Spear (Berbers)
2x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
2x4 LH, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
1x8 MF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Lt Sp, Swordsmen (Greeks)
1x8 MF, Arm, Ave, Undrilled, Lt Sp, Swordsmen (Saracens)
1x6 MF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Crossbow (Feudal Crossbowmen)
1x4 Cv, Arm, Ave, Drilled, Lance, Sw (Saracens)
2x4 Kn, Hv Arm, Sup, Undrilled, Lance, Sw

Thanks,
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(Edited the mistyped 6lh to 4lh)

As a basic best practice change the sixes of LH to fours.

Too many lights and too little punch for my liking.

If your 2 units of knights fail you its game over!

I prefer the first list but with LH in BGs of 4.
Too much MF in the second list for a medieval army.

philqw78 wrote:As a basic best practice change the sixes of LH to fours.

do'h. That was a mistype - all the light horse are actually in 4s. (I wonder how many points this would be if those were 6s?)

For me it would be the second list of the two but you are going to have to be quite careful with your lights.

This is the kind of army that my Early/Middle Hungarian list is designed to chew up and spit out with hopefully not much effort.

hammy wrote:For me it would be the second list of the two but you are going to have to be quite careful with your lights.

This is the kind of army that my Early/Middle Hungarian list is designed to chew up and spit out with hopefully not much effort.

Heh. Early Hungarians is another list I'm toying with....

Interesting that Hammy and Frederic hold opposite opinions.

Hammy, how is your Hungarian army designed? How would you design the Sicilians?

I'm looking at a (pre-Aragonese) Sicilian list with 3-4 BG of undrilled superior and average knights supported by drilled lancer cavalry and HF/MF, with hardly any skirmishers. Any comment on that idea?

I'm also curious about what Nik thinks needs changing in the book.


Nik, Hands-off

Arse - accidentally edited Lawrences post rather than quoting it doh!

nikgaukroger wrote:Arse - accidentally edited Lawrences post rather than quoting it doh!

Don't worry, I've edited it back to roughly what it was originally.

my list

4 TC
2bg4, Feudal Knights,
3bg6, Saracens archers light foot,
1bg4, Imperial ministreriales,
2bg4, light horse, bow, unprotect,
1bg4, light horse, javelins, protect,
1bg8, mercenary spearmen, armoured
1bg8, saracens close fighters, armoured, drilled
1bg8, communal crossbowmen light foot

798 pts, 12 bgs