Long Bows
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:05 pm
Just thinking of making a War of the roses army but 4-6 inches for a long bow does seem very short. Am I reading the rules right because for a bow (As I say) this range seems tiny
Mounted might make it in one or two all depending on moves up to 6mu.garth wrote:Just thinking of making a War of the roses army but 4-6 inches for a long bow does seem very short. Am I reading the rules right because for a bow (As I say) this range seems tiny
Many people coming from other rules have thought this, but with each base representing approximately 250 men, the shooting ranges are correct for the (implicit) ground scale.garth wrote:Just thinking of making a War of the roses army but 4-6 inches for a long bow does seem very short. Am I reading the rules right because for a bow (As I say) this range seems tiny
But longbows do have their own category. They get the best shooting POA of any missile weapon against any target.grandviceroy wrote:Longbows should be in a special category; they should either have more dice, or cause a negative to the cohesion check, or have a modifier to the kill die.... both in the miniatures game and the pc game, a line of longbows, even behind stakes, is a line waiting to die even from a head on attack.
Could you give us a couple examples? I find longbow about the best missile troops in the game. Maybe jannisaries are better, but you can't get enough of them.grandviceroy wrote:a line of longbows, even behind stakes, is a line waiting to die even from a head on attack.
Well you've already started another topic saying the same thing, which now has three pages of posts and not a single response from you. So rather than just repeating yourself on this topic, why don't you actually respond to some of the points made on the other one ?grandviceroy wrote:i beg to differ. longbows are not very effective in this game. ......
grandviceroy wrote:i beg to differ. longbows are not very effective in this game.
Could you give us a couple examples? I find longbow about the best missile troops in the game. Maybe jannisaries are better, but you can't get enough of them.
I agree Longbows are about the best missile troops in the game.
Taking away the POA of armoured/ heavily armoured troops makes the longbow definitely the best missile weapon. The original posters concern therefore seems to be that they are not also classified as Superior. The superior performance of the longbow compared to the bow vs armour has already been taken care of by the weapon POAs. For bowmen having a sword indicates superior melee ability. They are even classed as drilled.
I think their overall performance is well modelled in FOG.
As for the classification of Christian Nubian bows as Superior they are also Unprotected and Undrilled and don't have a sword. Having beaten the arabs due to their superior archers you have got to make them Superior.
Also in my opinion Immortals are better than Jannisaries. Armoured is better than protected, sword as it helps vs shooting and in combat. It is close as when the immortals face something that trumps their armour Heavily Armoured, Hvy weapon, chariots or Elephants and they are in trouble but swords don't always count either and against everyone but longbows the 5 to hit vs shooting is very good.
Paul Longmore
Effective range with an assault rifle is 300m. I very much doubt longbows are quite that effective even if the arrows go that far.Legionbuilder wrote:As an archer - I would disagree that the range is correct - but as a gamer I think longbows are terrific
The famous english long bow could easily launch arrows out to 300+ yards but they were probably most effective at 200 yards and closer sp in the end I think the FOG guru's got it correct.
The limit on the range of an assault rifle is only in that it is very difficult to hit an aware (moving eratically, using cover) target beyond 300m, the rounds they fire are lethal at two to three times that range (and dangerous farther than that) it just takes a belt fed machine gun or a sniper.philqw78 wrote:Effective range with an assault rifle is 300m. I very much doubt longbows are quite that effective even if the arrows go that far.Legionbuilder wrote:As an archer - I would disagree that the range is correct - but as a gamer I think longbows are terrific
The famous english long bow could easily launch arrows out to 300+ yards but they were probably most effective at 200 yards and closer sp in the end I think the FOG guru's got it correct.
Its difficult to see anything further than right next to you when you are being shot at. Most people can't hit a stationary target beyond 300m. (probably just as many won't)Phaze_of_the_Moon wrote:The limit on the range of an assault rifle is only in that it is very difficult to hit an aware (moving eratically, using cover) target beyond 300m.
Every soldier I've ever met could hit a stationary target at 300m virtually 100% of the time. Hell I could do it in my youth and I am almost legally blind. Maybe some third world conscript with an AK-47 older than he is could miss.philqw78 wrote:Its difficult to see anything further than right next to you when you are being shot at. Most people can't hit a stationary target beyond 300m. (probably just as many won't)Phaze_of_the_Moon wrote:The limit on the range of an assault rifle is only in that it is very difficult to hit an aware (moving eratically, using cover) target beyond 300m.
Did you see them do it or were you just listening to squaddies talk sh*t as usual. Or were they shooting at barn doors/cows arses with banjosPhaze_of_the_Moon wrote:Every soldier I've ever met could hit a stationary target at 300m virtually 100% of the time. Hell I could do it in my youth and I am almost legally blind. Maybe some third world conscript with an AK-47 older than he is could miss.