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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:56 pm
by rbodleyscott
This army appears to have no pikes from 1593. Can that be correct?

Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:46 pm
by nikgaukroger
Yup - one reason the Poles ran over them so easily in this period.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:23 pm
by nikgaukroger
Currently the list has maxima for 1593 to 1599 of 894. I am going to increase this to 1002 by adding another 18 musketer/calivermen BGs.

This will still be low, however, I'd rather not push it any further as:

(a) players do not have to choose this sub-period, and
(b) to make any more changes would mean fiddling with the number of mounted, which IMO would end up distorting the other sub-periods and they are more important I feel as they cover major wars.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:59 pm
by rbodleyscott
nikgaukroger wrote:Currently the list has maxima for 1593 to 1599 of 894. I am going to increase this to 1002 by adding another 18 musketer/calivermen BGs.

This will still be low, however, I'd rather not push it any further as:

(a) players do not have to choose this sub-period, and
(b) to make any more changes would mean fiddling with the number of mounted, which IMO would end up distorting the other sub-periods and they are more important I feel as they cover major wars.
OK

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:56 am
by SirGarnet
I apologize if the question was previously raised, but where are the expected Swedish feathers from the end of the century once the Swedes saw reverses at least until pikes came into general use (1604, in the list), if not thereafter for shot-only bodies of troops? I find it curious that they show up in the Gustavan list from 1624-1627 when the regiments are already protected by Pike and have been since c 1617. It would be useful to definitively address this popularly known Swedish expedient in the notes.

Thanks,

Mike

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:55 am
by nikgaukroger
MikeK wrote:I apologize if the question was previously raised, but where are the expected Swedish feathers from the end of the century once the Swedes saw reverses at least until pikes came into general use (1604, in the list), if not thereafter for shot-only bodies of troops? I find it curious that they show up in the Gustavan list from 1624-1627 when the regiments are already protected by Pike and have been since c 1617. It would be useful to definitively address this popularly known Swedish expedient in the notes.

Thanks,

Mike

Fair question.

From what I've read the "swedish feathers" of the time were called "Spanish riders" (no idea why), and were used as part of a ditch/bank type defense rather than as a portable obstacle - hence thet will be part of the FF (must check I did put those in).