Slitherine

(a 4x2BG) is in melee to its front with an enemy BG - 2. Off to one side is an enemy BG - 1 that wishes to charge the engaged BG.


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BG 1 doesn't qualify for a flank vs BG(a)

Can the rear element -(a) be the target of the charge? Why or why not with page references....

thanks...

My take is no and was played as such due to pages 92 and pages 53

thanks.

Madcam.

My understanding is that if a base is contributing dice to a combat to its front it can't be charged (except flank/rear). Therefore you can charge an overlap, or a base not giving dice eg third/fourth rank of a BG (pike or spear backed by LF bow spring to mind or a unit in column maybe).

This is considered a frontal charge therefore when you conform you slid in beside BG 1. Also if it's pike I'm pretty sure they still get all there factors for 4 ranks deep even though you are hitting the third or fourth rank.

See p. 57 last bullet. You can hit the flank of the rear base of BG 'a'. You fight an impact only 1 base vs 1 base, than BG '1' align as an overlap if there is room. BG 'a' never count as hit in flank, nor as fighting in 2 directions. If BG 'a' was in one rank only, you cannot do so and you can charge only if you can make a legal flank charge.

See p. 57 last bullet. You can hit the flank of the rear base of BG 'a'. You fight an impact only 1 base vs 1 base, than BG '1' align as an overlap if there is room. BG 'a' never count as hit in flank, nor as fighting in 2 directions. If BG 'a' was in one rank only, you cannot do so and you can charge only if you can make a legal flank charge.

That is incorrect. Since the second rank base adds dice to the combat it is "in melee", meaning that it cannot be charged. Madcam's initial page postings are correct - page 53 states "A charge cannot be declared if it would contact only the flank or rear edge of an enemy base which is already in melee to its front, except by a "legal" flank or rear charge."

Page 92 goes onto state "Rear ranks of an eligible troop type can fight if they belong to the same battle group as the front rank or overlap they are behind"

Therefore the front two rank's are in melee. Note third ranks are not (even if adding a tactical factor as pikes) since they are not behind a front rank base.

From the FAQ

FAQ wrote:Which enemy ranks cannot be so contacted if the front base in the file is already in melee to its front?
The first two ranks.

It is nailed as Phil says in the FAQ.

Yes, indeed it is.

You'd think Mike Hart would have read it....

madcam.

Hmmm.... U would definately think I would... but since we did not have the FAQ handy at the time....

mhohio wrote:Hmmm.... U would definately think I would... but since we did not have the FAQ handy at the time....

Heck its surprising you guys even had the rules.

hazelbark wrote:

mhohio wrote:Hmmm.... U would definately think I would... but since we did not have the FAQ handy at the time....

Heck its surprising you guys even had the rules.

Or could agree to play by them.
Gino
SMAC

kal5056 wrote:

hazelbark wrote:

mhohio wrote:Hmmm.... U would definately think I would... but since we did not have the FAQ handy at the time....

Heck its surprising you guys even had the rules.

Or could agree to play by them.
Gino
SMAC

Well apparently they can't "agree"