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how to use midget submarines

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:19 am
by FrancoisPhilidor
Hi,

just a question, because I have never played Japan in singleplayer.
I have put my midget submarine into the bigger submarine, but now I can't get it out for some reason. There is no deployment hex, as it normally happens with planes on carriers etc.

Also one of the icons on the midget sub is just a white square (doesn't display properly).

Anybody experience with midget subs? Are they bugged or sth?

Thanks

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Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:57 am
by FrancoisPhilidor
I have reinstalled the whole game. Still the same. Really strange

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 am
by Erik2
I have never used midget subs as cargo, but could it be something simple as the carrier needing to be surfaced?

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm
by FrancoisPhilidor
Erik2 wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 am I have never used midget subs as cargo, but could it be something simple as the carrier needing to be surfaced?
Thanks, but I have tried both, on the surface and under the surface. It really seems broken since the last update or sth. If it ever worked in the past. I have never played Japan in singleplayer, so no idea :-D

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 8:47 pm
by Egezrey
FrancoisPhilidor wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:19 am I have put my midget submarine into the bigger submarine, but now I can't get it out for some reason. There is no deployment hex, as it normally happens with planes on carriers etc.
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Does a large submarine have the "Cargo" trait?

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 7:44 pm
by FrancoisPhilidor
Egezrey wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:47 pm
FrancoisPhilidor wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:19 am I have put my midget submarine into the bigger submarine, but now I can't get it out for some reason. There is no deployment hex, as it normally happens with planes on carriers etc.
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Does a large submarine have the "Cargo" trait?
well they definitely have cargo space. I could load them but not unload them

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 2:23 pm
by Egezrey
FrancoisPhilidor wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 7:44 pm
Egezrey wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:47 pm Does a large submarine have the "Cargo" trait?
well they definitely have cargo space. I could load them but not unload them
Maybe you should do it through a script in the editor?
The first condition is that you have to bring a large submarine to an enemy port or naval base. When this condition is met, the mini submarine can be launched. The method is not very comfortable, so-so.

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 3:04 pm
by FrancoisPhilidor
Egezrey wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 2:23 pm
FrancoisPhilidor wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 7:44 pm
Egezrey wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:47 pm Does a large submarine have the "Cargo" trait?
well they definitely have cargo space. I could load them but not unload them
Maybe you should do it through a script in the editor?
The first condition is that you have to bring a large submarine to an enemy port or naval base. When this condition is met, the mini submarine can be launched. The method is not very comfortable, so-so.
Nonono, that wouldn't make sense. You are definitely supposed to be able to launch them anywhere in the ocean; not just in port

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 2:53 am
by GabeKnight
Never worked. Yeah, you could load them, but not unload them.

Off topic: Ever tried the "tunneling" effect with the Japanese infantry units? The mechanic works, but to my knowledge nobody ever implemented it in their maps. Custom or "official".

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 2:59 pm
by Erik2
I have placed tunnels in scenarios, but mostly for decoration. Does the AI use tunnels?

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 4:34 am
by terminator
Erik2 wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 2:59 pm I have placed tunnels in scenarios, but mostly for decoration. Does the AI use tunnels?
I do not think the AI is sufficiently developed to take such initiatives on its own.

Maybe by doing a script to force the AI to take the tunnel ?

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 9:25 am
by bebro
Never used them either, so I can't help with that. Back then Lukas made the original Pac cam.

One idea could be to spawn Japanese units nearby regularly, until the player achieves some goal to stop it.

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:40 pm
by FrancoisPhilidor
Erik2 wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 2:59 pm I have placed tunnels in scenarios, but mostly for decoration. Does the AI use tunnels?
On your Attu map there are tunnels. Have you put them anywhere else too? Iwo Jima?
It's really an under-used mechanic, like many others

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 7:56 am
by Erik2
It has been ages since I did any work on the Pacific scenarios. I simply don't remember...

Re: how to use midget submarines

Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 4:53 pm
by GabeKnight
I get that the "tunneling" effect is just a shortcut for units basically, but I seriously thought that some (custom) scenarios would/could use it for some "creative" secondary objectives at least.