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: Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:26 pm
by shiroronin
I'm playing Red Steel for now and...
I've noticed that Red Army has the pak front trait by default. It works with configuration: defender , non-core AT (first) and core AT (support). Is it intentional? It'a a huge advantage btw :wink:

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:52 pm
by bebro
It's because of the huge AT kill zones in the Kursk Salient, which copied the pakfront idea, but also took it further.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:33 am
by shiroronin
I'm talking about "the quasi-pakfront" available in the 41 and 42 (Red Steel :roll: probably Red Star too). Far before Kursk (three scenarios at least). It works only :?: with non-core and core at units.

I'e started the Red Storm just now and:

1. That "overrun" bug is still present. Autosave becomes corrupted. The manual save does not.
2. Why the Panthers & Flamms at the Prokhorovka :roll: :roll: Tigers , Stugs , Pz IV G , Pz III N,M , and captured T-34 are enough :!: (and far more realistic).
3. "The quasi-pakfront" (without the real specialization taken) works at the Prokhorovka too.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:13 pm
by bebro
I'm not sure what you mean by "quasi-pakfront". I did a short editor test attacking a Soviet AT aux with core AT behind. No AT support was given. What does happen is AT support for a non AT defender from multiple adjacent ATs - but that is unrelated to pakfront, and same for other countries.

Do you have a save that demonstrates what the issue is?

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
by shiroronin
So what's the difference between at with and without the pakfront ?

Defender is supported by the multiple adjacent ats by default? And no pak front is necessary?

And with the pakfront spec second (and next) ats may not be adjacent?

Will look at the replays and I choose one.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:25 pm
by bebro
Standard AT support is given to non-AT.

Pakfront allows ATs to support eachother.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:29 pm
by shiroronin
So is multiple AT support given to the defender without pakfront?
But if the defender is AT is it not ?

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:55 pm
by shiroronin
4. Po 2 Commander bug

After Red Steel I was able to detach the (nice one) Po 2's Commander to the Aircobras unit but not able to re-attach to another unit even the Po 2 :roll: ?

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm
by shiroronin
Check this .rec please.

AT/pakfront bug and the Po 2's Commander bug.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm
by terminator
It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her :shock:

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Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 pm
by GabeKnight
I see no bug/problem with the AT support/pakfront mechanic:

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terminator wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her :shock:
It's intentional, she has got an "undetachable" trait to her... :wink:

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:00 pm
by terminator
GabeKnight wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 pm
terminator wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her :shock:
It's intentional, she has got an "undetachable" trait to her... :wink:
This is what I thought but it should be indicated in the "Unit Traits" :idea:

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[KACIARYNA_KASYANOVA]
id = 94
category = air
faction = ussr
weapon = infantry_attack, 1
defense = air_defense, 2
shock = 10
range = 0
camouflaged
undetachable

What is camouflaged ? Undetectable by radar ?

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:16 pm
by terminator
It should be presented in this way for example:

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Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:29 am
by terminator
shiroronin wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm Check this .rec please.

AT/pakfront bug and the Po 2's Commander bug.
How did you arrive to detach the undetachable Air Commander from the Polikarpov Po-2 ?
The Po-2 plane was shot down ? Po-2 plane upgraded ? The undetachable Air Commander was injured ?

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:05 am
by GabeKnight
...or "disband" or just core import.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:16 am
by shiroronin
@Terminator

No.Nope.Never :wink:

After Red Steel I've imported the core units to the Red Storm.

Po 2's (cute) Commander was available to assign (as the others). I did not use her at the Prochorowka (first scenario). So she was available at the second (Rumiancew). I've assigned her to Aircobras unit :D then.

btw
It will be great to honor the Night Witches' real mother & Commander Marina Raskowa (eng. Rascova or Raskova) though :!:

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:16 am
by shiroronin
5. BUG (Red Steel) third scenario Kerch-Eltigen 43

Secondary objective "do not lose more than 4 ships" doesn't work properly. I did lose 1 ship but the objective had became unchecked :shock: So my +2 spec lost :roll:

Check the .rec please.

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:16 am
by shiroronin
Sorry RED STORM :idea:

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:58 pm
by shiroronin
FIXED.

Reload of the last turn helped :idea:

Re: : Red Army trilogy

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:10 am
by terminator
KACIARYNA KASYANOVA would be more appropriate for a tactical bomber than a fighter ?