Slitherine

Lebo44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:55 pm 45 degree turns costs 4 points according to manual. Diagonal moving costs 6.

So my guess is:
The unit had to turn first (-4) then move on diagonal (-6) for a total of -4-6=-10. So is left with 2 points out of 12 (not 6) and cannot turn (unmanoeuverable).

Cunningcairn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:02 pm In the attached screenshot a group of 4 LF advanced 1 block forward at a diagonal. This left each with 6 AP which they used to turn so that they would be facing forward. The Levy skirmisher pictured is however unable to turn. Why is that?
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SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:29 pm It is because they're classed unmaneuverable.

Paul59 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 am

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:29 pm It is because they're classed unmaneuverable.

So what are we missing here?

The Manual says "45 degree turns by troops that are unmanoeuvrable or out of command range cost 4 AP."

This unmanoeuvrable Levy Skirmisher unit has 6 AP left, so according to the manual it has more than enough AP to make the 45 degree turn in my screenshot. Obviously it is not entitled to a free move, as it is unmanoeuvrable, but with 6 AP remaining it should not need a free move to make a 45 degree turn.

Is it something to do with the original facing? I don't see why it should, in my example the unit started the turn facing straight ahead, so a 45 degree turn to the right would just take it back to it's original direction.

Cunningcairn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:02 pm In the attached screenshot a group of 4 LF advanced 1 block forward at a diagonal. This left each with 6 AP which they used to turn so that they would be facing forward. The Levy skirmisher pictured is however unable to turn. Why is that?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:23 pm

Paul59 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 am Is it something to do with the original facing? I don't see why it should, in my example the unit started the turn facing straight ahead, so a 45 degree turn to the right would just take it back to it's original direction.

This would be its second 45 degree turn, and it can't do it because it is unmanoeuvrable.

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:23 pm

Paul59 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 am

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:29 pm It is because they're classed unmaneuverable.

So what are we missing here?

The Manual says "45 degree turns by troops that are unmanoeuvrable or out of command range cost 4 AP."

This unmanoeuvrable Levy Skirmisher unit has 6 AP left, so according to the manual it has more than enough AP to make the 45 degree turn in my screenshot. Obviously it is not entitled to a free move, as it is unmanoeuvrable, but with 6 AP remaining it should not need a free move to make a 45 degree turn.

Is it something to do with the original facing? I don't see why it should, in my example the unit started the turn facing straight ahead, so a 45 degree turn to the right would just take it back to it's original direction.

This would be its second 45 degree turn, and it can't do it because it is unmanoeuvrable.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Cunningcairn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:02 pm In the attached screenshot a group of 4 LF advanced 1 block forward at a diagonal. This left each with 6 AP which they used to turn so that they would be facing forward. The Levy skirmisher pictured is however unable to turn. Why is that?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:23 pm

Paul59 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 am Is it something to do with the original facing? I don't see why it should, in my example the unit started the turn facing straight ahead, so a 45 degree turn to the right would just take it back to it's original direction.

This would be its second 45 degree turn, and it can't do it because it is unmanoeuvrable.

OK, that then makes sense in Paul59's example. (EDIT: OK, maybe it doesn't necessarily make sense, since it has 6 AP left after all, and a 45 degree turn costs 4 AP.)
What was the unit's original facing in your example, Cunningcairn? (I was of the assumption, don't know why, that the unit was already facing diagonally in the direction that it then moved, but maybe that wasn't the case.)

rbodleyscott wrote:

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:12 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:

Same type of situation, but with a maneuverable unit. See below. I thought that a 45 degree turn cost 4 AP and thus was possible to conduct as long as 4 AP was available for the unit. But that's not the case, as a general rule, whether maneuverable or unmaneuverable?

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rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:11 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:12 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:

Same type of situation, but with a maneuverable unit. See below. I thought that a 45 degree turn cost 4 AP and thus was possible to conduct as long as 4 AP was available for the unit. But that's not the case, as a general rule, whether maneuverable or unmaneuverable?

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After the first such turn, the cost goes up to 8.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:53 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:11 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:12 pm

Same type of situation, but with a maneuverable unit. See below. I thought that a 45 degree turn cost 4 AP and thus was possible to conduct as long as 4 AP was available for the unit. But that's not the case, as a general rule, whether maneuverable or unmaneuverable?

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After the first such turn, the cost goes up to 8.

Thanks: good to know! And that 8 AP cost for a second 45 degree turn applies to all units, whether maneuverable or unmaneuverable? (So given that an unmaneuverable unit had 8 AP left, it could then make a second 45 degree turn?)