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gaius21 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:43 pm hellenic = of mainland greece/colonies stock if we are talking about ethnicity
hellinistic = greek speaking locals from the conquered ex persian empire that the epigonoi carved up. guess the local aristocrasy became more or less hellenised, the common folk less so.
since the whole era from the laste 4th bc to the late 1st is named hellinistic its not terribly inaccurate to name the epigonoi generals as hellenistic than hellenic though they were greeks in origin and in speech.

thats my uneducated take on it.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:10 pm

gaius21 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:43 pm hellenic = of mainland greece/colonies stock if we are talking about ethnicity
hellinistic = greek speaking locals from the conquered ex persian empire that the epigonoi carved up. guess the local aristocrasy became more or less hellenised, the common folk less so.
since the whole era from the laste 4th bc to the late 1st is named hellinistic its not terribly inaccurate to name the epigonoi generals as hellenistic than hellenic though they were greeks in origin and in speech.

thats my uneducated take on it.

Thanks, gaius21: I'm aware of all that though.

My question concerns the difference within Field of Glory: Empires between and use of Hellenic versus Hellenistic, since I cannot find any factions or provinces that are Hellenistic; both the Diadochi and the provinces are Hellenic. Is the Hellenistic ethnic group at all used in FoGE?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:13 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:10 pm

gaius21 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:43 pm hellenic = of mainland greece/colonies stock if we are talking about ethnicity
hellinistic = greek speaking locals from the conquered ex persian empire that the epigonoi carved up. guess the local aristocrasy became more or less hellenised, the common folk less so.
since the whole era from the laste 4th bc to the late 1st is named hellinistic its not terribly inaccurate to name the epigonoi generals as hellenistic than hellenic though they were greeks in origin and in speech.

thats my uneducated take on it.

Thanks, gaius21: I'm aware of all that though.

My question concerns the difference within Field of Glory: Empires between and use of Hellenic versus Hellenistic, since I cannot find any factions or provinces that are Hellenistic; both the Diadochi and the provinces are Hellenic. Is the Hellenistic ethnic group at all used in FoGE?

This is my take on the issue. (Note that I am developer of FOG2 not Empires).

Hellenistic is a historical description of states ruled by a Macedonian ruling class or adopting the Hellenistic culture/military system. It is not an ethnic group. Even Macedonians were Hellenic (even though the southern Greeks might disagree that they were "proper" Greeks).

The game does have special rules for the Diadochi (Hellenistic) states, but they do not affect their ethnicity.

Note that ethnicity is used in the game to determine which military system a state uses. So it wasn't necessary to have both a "Hellenic" ethnicity and a "Hellenistic" ethnicity, and it was a toss-up which term they used to descibe the Hellenic/Hellenistic ethnicity.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:28 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:13 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:10 pm

Thanks, gaius21: I'm aware of all that though.

My question concerns the difference within Field of Glory: Empires between and use of Hellenic versus Hellenistic, since I cannot find any factions or provinces that are Hellenistic; both the Diadochi and the provinces are Hellenic. Is the Hellenistic ethnic group at all used in FoGE?

This is my take on the issue. (Note that I am developer of FOG2 not Empires).

Hellenistic is a historical description of states ruled by a Macedonian ruling class or adopting the Hellenistic culture/military system. It is not an ethnic group. Even Macedonians were Hellenic (even though the southern Greeks might disagree that they were "proper" Greeks).

The game does have special rules for the Diadochi (Hellenistic) states, but they do not affect their ethnicity.

Note that ethnicity is used in the game to determine which military system a state uses. So it wasn't necessary to have both a "Hellenic" ethnicity and a "Hellenistic" ethnicity, and it was a toss-up which term they used to descibe the Hellenic/Hellenistic ethnicity.

OK, thanks Richard. So it seems that it can be assumed that the Hellenistic ethnic group (again, for in-game purposes, not its historical relevance) is not used at all?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:28 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:13 am

This is my take on the issue. (Note that I am developer of FOG2 not Empires).

Hellenistic is a historical description of states ruled by a Macedonian ruling class or adopting the Hellenistic culture/military system. It is not an ethnic group. Even Macedonians were Hellenic (even though the southern Greeks might disagree that they were "proper" Greeks).

The game does have special rules for the Diadochi (Hellenistic) states, but they do not affect their ethnicity.

Note that ethnicity is used in the game to determine which military system a state uses. So it wasn't necessary to have both a "Hellenic" ethnicity and a "Hellenistic" ethnicity, and it was a toss-up which term they used to descibe the Hellenic/Hellenistic ethnicity.

OK, thanks Richard. So it seems that it can be assumed that the Hellenistic ethnic group (again, for in-game purposes, not its historical relevance) is not used at all?

Not currently.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:21 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:28 am

OK, thanks Richard. So it seems that it can be assumed that the Hellenistic ethnic group (again, for in-game purposes, not its historical relevance) is not used at all?

Not currently.

True. Good placeholder for future updates/DLC. Or opportunities for own modding.

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:06 pm

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:21 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am

Not currently.

True. Good placeholder for future updates/DLC. Or opportunities for own modding.

Actually I did not know that there was an in-game Hellenistic ethnicity. I only look at the units database, which as far as I know does not have one. If there is one, it may be used for other purposes. I guess you need an answer from Pocus.