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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:42 pm
by Kreufeldt
fredrik wrote:Kreufeldt wrote:fredrik wrote:That's alright I'm only in it for the booze and the groupies anyway.
Are there FoG-groupes in Italy? How come we don't have any up here? What are we doing wrong?
I blame Ogge.
I blame the fool who's taking Carthaginians to Rome...
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:11 am
by urbanbunny1
Yah! I'm the only aussie at Rome! Even if I get completely smashed I can say that I was the top ranked aussie.
Going to be half brain dead though, I will have only arrived in Europe a couple of days earlier. Hope there is a good barrista nearby, going to need a ristretto to get the brain firing.
Looking forward to meeting many of you who I've seen posting on the forums.
Simon
The Urban Bunny
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:28 am
by Nicola_GMBS
fredrik wrote:I'm surprised to see that I'm the only one who appreciated the symmetry of taking the Carthaginians to Rome...

It would have been worse to take the Gallic Senoni tribe, the Visigoths or the Landscheknets! (or how it's spelled...)
Good choice for everybody, I surely think that it would be a pleasant tournament in a beautiful location.
Happy to meet you next week

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:04 am
by MatteoPasi
philqw78 wrote:Arab Conquest 1
Catalan Company 2
Condotta Italian 1
Dominate Roman 1
Early Medieval German 1
Early North African Dynasties 1
Early Sucessor 1
Komnenan Byzantine 1
Late Republican Roman 1
Later Carthaginian 1
Later Crusader 1
Later Hungarian 1
Later Lithuanian 2
Later Ottoman Turkish 2
Later Seleucid 2
Middle Hungarian 1
Norse Irish 1
Ordonnance French 1
Principate Roman 1
Santa Hermandad Nueva Castilian 1
Sassanid Persian 2
Skythian 1
Tatar 1
War of the Roses English 2
Good mix
Nice mix, it means that army lists are balanced , very good jib for the developer !
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:12 am
by Kreufeldt
Lists by book:
Rise of Rome 4
Storm of Arrows 5
Immortal Fire 2
Swords and Scimitars 2
Legions Triumphant 4
Eternal Empire 9
Decline and Fall 2
Wolves from the Sea 2
All books except one represented, and a fairly good mix between the books too. The two books that stand out are Swifter than Eagles, being the on without representation, and Eternal Empire, having 9 participating armies.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:21 am
by peterrjohnston
As per my email to everyone, there is no seeding, so I had intended to do a random draw for the first round. Matteo has
suggested doing the first draw by army date. Anyone else have an opinion on that? If a lot say "yes please" it would be
no problem for me to do; I know a lot of players like historical match-ups where possible.
Regards,
Peter
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:25 am
by dave_r
I would prefer random.
We don't want any of this historical nonsense getting in the way...
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:25 am
by peterrjohnston
fredrik wrote:I'm surprised to see that I'm the only one who appreciated the symmetry of taking the Carthaginians to Rome...

Ah, but just like Hannibal you'll be standing outside the walls, stamping your feet in frustration

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:30 am
by peterrjohnston
urbanbunny1 wrote:Hope there is a good barrista nearby, going to need a ristretto to get the brain firing.
I recommend a doppio ristretto corretto...

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:07 am
by Moro
no problem for an army-date based first round. But, whethever criteria you choose, I think It would be better avoid same nation match!
What do you think about?
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:16 am
by GuglielmoMarlia
Hi,
Wellcome eveybody.
Ok for historical match-ups.
Ciao/Guglielmo
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:16 am
by philqw78
Moro wrote:no problem for an army-date based first round. But, whethever criteria you choose, I think It would be better avoid same nation match!
Hard to avoid if you are Italian. Unless you mean same army match up.
Moro wrote:What do you think about?
Beer, Italian wines, Beautiful Italian women, food, wargames, pretty much in that order.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:19 am
by philqw78
Random matchups tend to produce more telling results in the first round as the armies are not designed to fight each other. So big wins. Historical match ups produce lots of same v's same so more draws.
On a good/bad point (depending on your opinion of seeding), this is like anti-seeding as the good players should have chosen the better armies, so they will more likely face each other in the first round.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:40 am
by peterrjohnston
As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:44 am
by sergiomonteleone
dave_r wrote:Because I am sad and have nothing better to do, I looked at a copy of the world rankings and where possible plugged in the rankings. The results came out as follows:
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Player Army Country Ranking (world)
Phil Powell Catalan Company GB 8
Dave Ruddock Skythian GB 10
Rafa Tortosa Catalan Company Sp 14
Dave Allen Middle Hungarian GB 21
Carlos Garcia Early Successor Sp 70
Jean-Yves Cassas Sassanid Persian Fr 75
Tim Porter Dominate Roman GB 666
Marlia Guglielmo Later Hungarian It 124
Walter Ierman Principate Roman It 191
Nicola Linguerri Later Seleucid It 207
Ivan Monedero Italian Condotta Sp 228
Pedro Sanchez Later Ottoman Turkish Sp 241
Sergio Monteleone Komnenan Byzantine It 269
Stephen Hammond Tatar GB 284
Angelo Autolino Later Crusader It 291
Javier Bueno WoTR Sp 306
Roberto Ricamo Early Medieval German It 307
Brian Holmes Later Lithuanian GB 342
Andrea Rocchi Santa Hooey Doo Dah It 359
Fredrik Olausson Later Carthaginian Sw
Simon LeRay-Meyer French Ordonnance Au
Andrea Lo Moro Norse Irish It
Virtus Ruestes Later Republican Roman Sp
Tomas Lidholm Later Lithuanian Sw
Matteo Pasi Later Ottoman Turkish It
Martin Cullell-Young WoTR Sp
Fabrizio Baratto Later Seleucid It
Scheele Gomez Arab Conquest Sp
John Fasoulas Early North African Dynasties Gr
Listner Bodo Sassanid Persian Ge
This should just about conclusively prove that combined rankings don't work
Whenever I tried to get Tim Porters Ranking it just returned 666. How strange. Only one Dominate Roman - I am presuming it is the 19 BG Monster.
Good spread of armies - six armies picked twice being the most popular vote. Haven't bothered to break it down by book...
Hi Dave,
Italian ranking hasn't updated after a tournament in May. So I guess also the international one for Italians players (Peter ...........)
Sergio
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:47 am
by sergiomonteleone
dave_r wrote:
Whenever I tried to get Tim Porters Ranking it just returned 666. How strange. Only one Dominate Roman - I am presuming it is the 19 BG Monster.
Me too I presume the monster with 19 BG's (if I'm not wrong the armies won Britcon 2008) ................ so it could be great playing against him in Steppe or agricultural.
Me too I expected more Romans armies ......... strange
Sergio
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:52 am
by philqw78
peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

As a personnal preference I would not like to play against another Catalan army, as I think its a very good army. But playing in period, with armies designed to fight each other, is a better way as it means if 2 closely matched armies play good play is more important than army
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:09 am
by sergiomonteleone
peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

I completely agree with you and Gug, historical matches (on the basis of the Army Books) should be more balanced for the first round, even if each player would predict the opponenet checking the list of the players (for example Dominate Roman vs Principate Roman)
Sergio
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:28 am
by sergiomonteleone
philqw78 wrote:peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

As a personnal preference I would not like to play against another Catalan army, as I think its a very good army. But playing in period, with armies designed to fight each other, is a better way as it means if 2 closely matched armies play good play is more important than army
What do you think of this proposal:
the night of the 9th all the FOG players will go in a pub for making a race, Italians can drink only beer

and players from other countries only Italian red wine or grappa

.
The rankig of this race (the one who drinks more will be the winner and each player will receive points on the basis of how much he will able to drink

) will be used for the first bound
Sergio
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:39 am
by philqw78
sergiomonteleone wrote:What do you think of this proposal:
the night of the 9th all the FOG players will go in a pub for making a race, Italians can drink only beer

and players from other countries only Italian red wine or grappa

.
The rankig of this race (the one who drinks more will be the winner and each player will receive points on the basis of how much he will able to drink

) will be used for the first bound
Sergio
I think I'd be more than happy with that. A nice early start to sort the men from the boys. Thats providing italians actually can drink.