Slitherine

richardsd wrote:I think retreating might be a mistake, he can now make you retreat 'forward' which will allow him to make better progress

Initially, I tend to agree. The Luftwaffe is in shambles, and it really costs the Allies nothing to plug those holes with garrisons. Now the Axis get a free turn to advance while repairing the air force.

But I will wait and see what happens before saying this was a bad move by Morris.

joerock22 wrote:

richardsd wrote:I think retreating might be a mistake, he can now make you retreat 'forward' which will allow him to make better progress

Initially, I tend to agree. The Luftwaffe is in shambles, and it really costs the Allies nothing to plug those holes with garrisons. Now the Axis get a free turn to advance while repairing the air force.

But I will wait and see what happens before saying this was a bad move by Morris.

maybe you are right , but if I fill the blank with new troops ,they will all low effectiveness & no entrenchment ,they will be easy to be eliminated .But we can not afford for that loss , there are still many turns before Paris will fall .

June 27th 1940 fair

Axis rushed to allies new defence line & kill one French Gar . Heavy dog fight continue .
( i am sorry to forget take screenshot after move , next turn will show everything )

Your success or failure will be determined by the use of MECs. They are the only units the Axis player needs to fear - if you lose them, then the rest will be just a mop-up.

Cybvep wrote:Your success or failure will be determined by the use of MECs. They are the only units the Axis player needs to fear - if you lose them, then the rest will be just a mop-up.

the most important for Axis is time ,not the loss of pp or unit . We just want the Mech's death can win some time .

July 17th 1940 fair


Axis launch ground attack to kill two Allies units & take Antwerp. Heavy dog fight !

On the other side , Axis steal Aberdeen & landing two GAR in Scotland .Maybe after He found so many BEF in France , & consider it as good opportunity to sealion , But Is Aberdeen too far for a sealion ? & it is not a port .

BTW , on the sea , Axis's sub attack my CV & make it only one step left . In return , we attack a sub to one .


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I don't know about that Scotland invasion...looks like a waste of PPs and units to me. The only way he could use it is if he did a 1942 Barbarossa and did Sea Lion in 1941. But Scotland is still out of Axis air range and it will be difficult to get more transports there.

Also, should the Axis be occupying the hexes it frees up south of the river? I know this will expose them to counterattack, but at least then the Allies would have to be active with their air and mech forces on their own turn. Maybe losing a few corps to force the Allies to fight wouldn't be such a bad thing.

joerock22 wrote:I don't know about that Scotland invasion...looks like a waste of PPs and units to me. The only way he could use it is if he did a 1942 Barbarossa and did Sea Lion in 1941. But Scotland is still out of Axis air range and it will be difficult to get more transports there.

Also, should the Axis be occupying the hexes it frees up south of the river? I know this will expose them to counterattack, but at least then the Allies would have to be active with their air and mech forces on their own turn. Maybe losing a few corps to force the Allies to fight wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Yes ! Scotland landing seems a kind of feint since there are only Gars ( I don't think Axis have spare money to do a massive sealion under this situation .)

Aug 6th 1940 fair


Axis made a great breakthrough & took lorraine by killing 3 Gars & the French FTR ! We counter attack to kil the lead Corp . Heavy dogfight everyday !







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Aug 26th 1940 fair


Axis enlarge the breakthrough & kill more French troops . Heavy dogfight continue .

for my surprise , Axis launch a kind of sealion while France is still alive ! The Para dropped beside London & at least four transport convoy around Britain including an Italian one ! We have no troops on the England but Gars !We also have no money to produce new one (expensive cost of supplying RAF).But Is it a little bit late ? We just concentrate all Gars to stand on the position they want to land . That's all I can do .

In the southern France , Italian was stopped by my French Gars .



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Sealion, thats ambitious

hi folks - Paris finally fell in Dec! Here's a screenshot of the carnage. The Axis losses are some GARS (including those lost at sea - there was a futile attempt to take Casablanca), and a single INF. But as you can see the step losses are horrendous.

I think the Axis made the best of a bad situation during mid-1940. I don't know what the position in England is like at this point, but the Axis should be able to take it in 1941 without too many problems given the footholds they have obtained and the significant British commitment (and presumable losses) in France. On the other hand, trying to attack Russia in '41 would have been really rough as I don't think they have time to build the forces required for that epic battle. 1942 will be a different story, however!

That said, I wonder if the Axis had pushed a bit more against France during the bad weather months of '39-'40. I think this might have led to an earlier fall for France and slightly less difficult campaign when Spring came.

ncali wrote:I think the Axis made the best of a bad situation during mid-1940. I don't know what the position in England is like at this point, but the Axis should be able to take it in 1941 without too many problems given the footholds they have obtained and the significant British commitment (and presumable losses) in France. On the other hand, trying to attack Russia in '41 would have been really rough as I don't think they have time to build the forces required for that epic battle. 1942 will be a different story, however!

That said, I wonder if the Axis had pushed a bit more against France during the bad weather months of '39-'40. I think this might have led to an earlier fall for France and slightly less difficult campaign when Spring came.

As somebody facing the self-same Dyle Plan from Mr. Morris, I will say that what you say makes sense in principle, but it's a lot easier to imagine than to execute. During mud/winter, the line Antwerp-Brussels-Liege[fortress] is really formidable, unless you are willing to accept very high losses (and play right into Morris' hands). I did manage to keep a limited offensive up through the winter by hitting the seams between those two points, but it was just a bit of attrition warfare. I was unwilling to move my infantry into the breakthroughs since they would be immediately destroyed. Axis really has to wait for fair weather to get much done against that wall.

although Peter had shown you the result of the France campaign , I will still provide the screen shot of the turns from Sept to Dec for your reference :


Sept 15th 1940 fair

Axis made a huge breakthrough in the center of my defence line & made a big pocket encirle five French units .

In the strait ,Axis retreat & leave the para alone in England . The para will die there .

Our French fleet found a Rome with no guard ! it is a pity we don't have a para , otherwise it will be interesting to drop it in Rome !


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unguard Rome

ncali wrote:
That said, I wonder if the Axis had pushed a bit more against France during the bad weather months of '39-'40. I think this might have led to an earlier fall for France and slightly less difficult campaign when Spring came.

It would be much bloody which Axis would be not able to afford . As you can see that ,even in fair weather , Axis still has such loss especially the luftwaffe loss ! It is a lot of pp ! If it happens In 1943 it is ok , but in 1940 it is too expensive .

Diplomaticus wrote:

ncali wrote:I think the Axis made the best of a bad situation during mid-1940. I don't know what the position in England is like at this point, but the Axis should be able to take it in 1941 without too many problems given the footholds they have obtained and the significant British commitment (and presumable losses) in France. On the other hand, trying to attack Russia in '41 would have been really rough as I don't think they have time to build the forces required for that epic battle. 1942 will be a different story, however!

That said, I wonder if the Axis had pushed a bit more against France during the bad weather months of '39-'40. I think this might have led to an earlier fall for France and slightly less difficult campaign when Spring came.

As somebody facing the self-same Dyle Plan from Mr. Morris, I will say that what you say makes sense in principle, but it's a lot easier to imagine than to execute. During mud/winter, the line Antwerp-Brussels-Liege[fortress] is really formidable, unless you are willing to accept very high losses (and play right into Morris' hands). I did manage to keep a limited offensive up through the winter by hitting the seams between those two points, but it was just a bit of attrition warfare. I was unwilling to move my infantry into the breakthroughs since they would be immediately destroyed. Axis really has to wait for fair weather to get much done against that wall.

You know everything & you know me well !

BTW , Diplo develope the Axis strategy from Peter's , It performs better , I will show it in the AAR with Diplomaticus .

Perhaps your right, and Diplomaticus has more experience with this than I. So I'll defer to you guys.

But I would point out that is also more difficult for the French/British to counterattack
in bad weather. Losing a couple infantry corps might be worth it as they are cheap.
And the Allies don't have a huge amount of PP's at this stage either. The Axis also
tends to regain efficiency more easily due to better quality/leaders.

ncali wrote:Perhaps your right, and Diplomaticus has more experience with this than I. So I'll defer to you guys.

But I would point out that is also more difficult for the French/British to counterattack
in bad weather. Losing a couple infantry corps might be worth it as they are cheap.
And the Allies don't have a huge amount of PP's at this stage either. The Axis also
tends to regain efficiency more easily due to better quality/leaders.

Good point my dear friend ,but during the bad weather , the axis troops can not expansion forces there . So the attack can not be consecutive & Allies can just supply or transporsition .BTW , bad weather has low airsupport & high airloss . It won't be a good business for Axis .

Oct 5th 1940 fair

after the huge onslaught , the defence line of Paris is broken . BEF seems has accomplished their mission in France , they go to the beach waiting for the transport from home . & French will fight to the last minute of Paris fall .


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