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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:42 am
by rbodleyscott
deadtorius wrote:perhaps a game designer might want to intervene on this one since it seems entirely dependent on how you interpret the rules as they are written.
See posts from chopped liver above.

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:26 am
by SirGarnet
So in practical terms "with" means "in the same move as" in that setnence?

BTW, need some chopped liver in the most recent kinky columns thread.

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:41 am
by rbodleyscott
MikeK wrote:So in practical terms "with" means "in the same move as" in that sentence?
Yes

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:30 am
by SirGarnet
rbodleyscott wrote:Yes
Thanks, I'll jot it down on the page (the hardbound volume has endured wear very well!).

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:18 pm
by hazelbark
rbodleyscott wrote:
OMG I am agreeing with Madcam
I thought i felt a disturbance in the time space fields.

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:20 pm
by petedalby
I agree with Mr Dalby. Although playing with Hammy I play it Hammy's way as its easier than a discussion most of the time. So we are both cheating each other, and cheaters only cheat themselves. So it cancels out really.
Does this mean that everyone who's been through the Manchester FOG Bootcamp has a similar misunderstanding?

Pete

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:21 pm
by hazelbark
I think a bit of confusion could have been fixed by changing the name a simple advance into an ordinary advance. The simple advance and simple move gets people forgetful to look at the clarifying text.

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:55 pm
by hammy
petedalby wrote:
I agree with Mr Dalby. Although playing with Hammy I play it Hammy's way as its easier than a discussion most of the time. So we are both cheating each other, and cheaters only cheat themselves. So it cancels out really.
Does this mean that everyone who's been through the Manchester FOG Bootcamp has a similar misunderstanding?
It would if we had gone into that level of detail ;)

Most people were happy enough to be able to get the basics of movement and combat.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:10 am
by giobaratto
rbodleyscott wrote:
hammy wrote:The rules actually say:
Shifts are not permitted when charging, nor in second moves, nor with double wheels, expansions, contractions or turns.
They do indeed. That's what I said
But shifts are permitted with turns during an evasion move, as per example on page 166. That's the only case in which shifts, turns and wheel are permitted. Correct?
giorgio

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:25 am
by petedalby
But shifts are permitted with turns during an evasion move, as per example on page 166. That's the only case in which shifts, turns and wheel are permitted. Correct?
Correct

Evade moves are different to voluntary movement.

Pete