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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:24 am
by berthier
Actually, I was wrong when I said battlelines never take CMTs. Went back to p. 41 and Battlelines containing Light Artillery and/or battlewagons DO have to take a CMT to do any move (4th bullet under simple and complex moves). But otherwise, I believe Graham is correct.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:14 pm
by grahambriggs
berthier wrote:Actually, I was wrong when I said battlelines never take CMTs. Went back to p. 41 and Battlelines containing Light Artillery and/or battlewagons DO have to take a CMT to do any move (4th bullet under simple and complex moves). But otherwise, I believe Graham is correct.
My apologies, I don't use those troop types so was unaware.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:07 pm
by kal5056
Now Graham in your example if the one BG on the far left wanted to contract while stationary and the IC is not with that BG is the roll a +2 or a plus +3.
I said +2 my opponent said +3.
Gino
SMAC
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:08 pm
by grahambriggs
kal5056 wrote:Now Graham in your example if the one BG on the far left wanted to contract while stationary and the IC is not with that BG is the roll a +2 or a plus +3.
I said +2 my opponent said +3.
Gino
SMAC
It's +2 unless the IC is actually with the BG doing the contraction. A stationary contraction cannot be done as part of a Battle Line. Battle lines are limited to the advances section.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:29 am
by deadtorius
A general counts as "with" the entire battleline that is attemptiong to move.
For example, a BG of poor undrilled HF, a BG of average undrilled Battlewagons, and a fragged BG of superior drilled MF, with an IC attached to the MF, is attempting to move toward the enemy. It would need to CMT using the undrilled rate, would be treated as poor (reroll 6s), and get an overall +1 to the roll ( -2 for a fragged BG, +3 for an IC "with" the battleline). If it passed it could move at the battlewagon move rate and no base of any BG could enter difficult going.
Page 30 bullet 1: Severely disordered, fragmented or broken troops cannot be part of a battle line.
In your example the fragged troops can not be part of a battle line so you can't use your IC with the MF to form a battle line. All those BG's would have to make individual moves.
The general has to stay with the battle line for the entire move, he can not drop off at any point, pages 29 and 30 where it covers battle lines does not say that he counts as being with every base in the battle line.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:05 am
by berthier
deadtorius wrote:
Page 30 bullet 1: Severely disordered, fragmented or broken troops cannot be part of a battle line.
In your example the fragged troops can not be part of a battle line so you can't use your IC with the MF to form a battle line. All those BG's would have to make individual moves.
The general has to stay with the battle line for the entire move, he can not drop off at any point, pages 29 and 30 where it covers battle lines does not say that he counts as being with every base in the battle line.
Actually, if you read the last sentence in the 2nd column on page 30 above the tip, you will find "The principal advantage of a battle line is that it allows multiple battlegroups to perform certain actions together as if
each had a commander with it."
I tink that answers your question Gino.
Christopher Anders
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:34 am
by kal5056
The key word in that sentence Chris is "Together"
In my example only 1 BG was making a movement so although part of a battle line it is not makeing a move with the line so No Plus 3.
Thanks
Gino
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:19 am
by gozerius
deadtorius wrote:A general counts as "with" the entire battleline that is attemptiong to move.
For example, a BG of poor undrilled HF, a BG of average undrilled Battlewagons, and a fragged BG of superior drilled MF, with an IC attached to the MF, is attempting to move toward the enemy. It would need to CMT using the undrilled rate, would be treated as poor (reroll 6s), and get an overall +1 to the roll ( -2 for a fragged BG, +3 for an IC "with" the battleline). If it passed it could move at the battlewagon move rate and no base of any BG could enter difficult going.
Page 30 bullet 1: Severely disordered, fragmented or broken troops cannot be part of a battle line.
In your example the fragged troops can not be part of a battle line so you can't use your IC with the MF to form a battle line. All those BG's would have to make individual moves.
I
KNEW that was in there somewhere.