Slitherine

Are new regional decisions supposed to 'run out', as in you don't get any more?

I frequently reached the point where I'm informed that I must spend a decision in order to receive more. This usually happens when I'm sitting on ten-or-so. Seems fair. However, after a string of rebellions and uprisings, which I managed to recover from (just), I'm now continually receiving the 'spend to get more decisions' message every turn. I'm now down to just three unspent but every turn I still get the 'spend more to get more' message and no more region decisions are arriving.

Is this WAD?

A change in government type has unlocked new regional decisions. (I spent down to just two remaining but was unable to spend those just to see if emptying the pool would re-enable the receipt of more.)

It seems that there might well be some sort of limiting mechanic per government type.

It makes sense that lower tier governments would get fewer Regional Decisions than larger empires, so I can understand the spiral of getting a smaller MAX than your current available decisions.

I'm concerned, however, about whether you could get trapped in Regional Decisions that you can't spend, either because of no eligible region or a lack of resources to spend on triggering them? The X number of turns until expiry mechanic has already been used for National Decisions, so wouldn't necessarily be appropriate for Regional Decisions. I'm wondering, though, whether there should be some other mechanic to let you eliminate unusable Regional Decisions, but without giving you a way to easily and cheaply cycle through Regional Decisions to get to the one you want?

I do often end up with a stack of regional decisions that are unusable/useless and they are indeed 'taking up space' that could be used by more useful decisions. Even so, there's usually at least something that's useful. Some sort of mechanic to clear out useless decisions should exist rather than leaving them to sit there, taking up space, in perpetuity.

The failure to receive _any_ new decisions does seem to be a bug. I was down to three unspent (useless) decisions and yet every turn I was being told to 'spend more to get more'. Only changing government type seemed to clear the blockage.

Depending of your civilization level, you can be stopped at 8 or 16 decisions. Avoid being decadent also

Pocus wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:38 am Depending of your civilization level, you can be stopped at 8 or 16 decisions. Avoid being decadent also

I get that, and understand that (even tho the 8/16 limit is news to me), but the maximum allowable unspent wasn't the problem.

The problem was not getting any more Regional Decisions (RDs) and yet each round still receiving the 'spend more to get more' message. I was Decadent at the time - some 40 turns of not getting any more RDs. Does being Decadent stop you from receiving any more RDs? Because as soon as I left Decadent the very next turn, and almost every turn thereafter, they started arriving again. Is this another 'hidden*' rule?

* Fully accepting that it might be written down somewhere and I just missed it.

The two are linked, being decadent lowered your maximum limit so you got the message to spend some if you wanted a renewal. When you left the decadent state, the limit was upped and so you could receive new ones.

Pocus wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 2:24 pm The two are linkeds, being decadent lowered your maximum limit so you got the message to spend some if you wanted a renewal. When you left the decadent state, the limit was upped and so you could receive new ones.

Okay, that makes sense - Decadent governments should struggle.

Is that limit two, or even just one? Because I was down to my last two RDs and I was still being told to spend more to get more, even tho more never arrived. Perhaps that message is misleading when in a Decadent government.

It depends also of luck and civilization level. To be precise, the base chance is 0.5 decision a turn, +0.5 if CL II, +0.5 if CL III, -0.5 if decadent, -0.5 if 8-15 and -1 if 16+ (and +0.5 if in GA)

If I'm reading that correctly, a Decadent Tribe nets 0.0 new RDs each round. That explains it, and the message every turn to 'spend more to get more' is indeed misleading.

defekt wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:15 pm If I'm reading that correctly, a Decadent Tribe nets 0.0 new RDs each round. That explains it, and the message every turn to 'spend more to get more' is indeed misleading.

I guess the message is just to tell you that your at the current maximum.

Surt wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:11 pm

defekt wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:15 pm If I'm reading that correctly, a Decadent Tribe nets 0.0 new RDs each round. That explains it, and the message every turn to 'spend more to get more' is indeed misleading.

I guess the message is just to tell you that your at the current maximum.

Yes, but it doesn't say what that current maximum is (which is a flexible value).

For example, I was sitting on 7 unspent RDs and was not getting any more - dozens of turns and nothing came. That message came up every turn, with the implication that I can get more if I spend what I've got. Except I wasn't ever going to get more because I was sitting at a net 0.0 chance of getting more (the game doesn't tell you this BTW). It would have benefited me to hold on to what I had left and spent wisely, not be mislead into spending recklessly.

Pocus wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 5:21 am It depends also of luck and civilization level. To be precise, the base chance is 0.5 decision a turn, +0.5 if CL II, +0.5 if CL III, -0.5 if decadent, -0.5 if 8-15 and -1 if 16+ (and +0.5 if in GA)

I'd consider tweaking those numbers, so even a CL I, decadent state has a chance to get some regional decisions. That would solve the issue identified by defect.. Right now, you could be sitting on 0 regional decisions and have no chance to get more.

What about adding a +0.5 chance if you have 0-3 regional decisions currently? That would give a decandent, CL I state a chance to get decisions if it has less than 4, and scale up the probabilities of other empires getting decisions, too, if they don't currently have at least 4.

A floor of +0.2 perhaps.

I'll add canuck proposal, I think that's a good one.

Pocus wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:04 am I'll add canuck proposal, I think that's a good one.

Glad to have been of help.