Slitherine

Hi Folks!

My problem is that I'm sometimes not sure which hero is best suited for which unit or which is most effective?

Maybe you can write here which hero type you have assigned to which unit and whether you have had good experiences with it.

Many thanks in forward!

Its more like which combos of heros are best suited. I like to have a number of OP units - swapping the heroes to another unit to build up their XP.

Some of my favourites:

• Vigilant in a tank makes a great urban warfare unit. Pair with ignores entrenchment & Lightning Attack for a siege monster.

• Double attack usually goes on the Gustav or Gerat Mortar - easy mode. Stalingrad was a doddle with the DA Gustav

• Overwhelming Attack paired with Envelopment creates an insta capture beast - very OP

• Butcher paired with lightning attack and river assault on a pionere is an excellent assault for first attack on cities clearing the bridge hex

• Lethal Attack on Arty or AA is great, especially paired with double attack.

• First strike on heavy tracked AT is very effective - upgrade a tank with steamroller

• Double attack and recon move on an overstrength fighter was really effective in clearing the skies.

• Leadership, expert support etc are good on support AT and arty that you have supporting your line when defending. I keep meaning to try camouflage on a supporting AT to tempt the AI into attack, all to often its too wary of the AT and just moves up to your line and sits there.

Schlack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:01 pm Its more like which combos of heros are best suited. I like to have a number of OP units - swapping the heroes to another unit to build up their XP.

Some of my favourites:

• Vigilant in a tank makes a great urban warfare unit. Pair with ignores entrenchment & Lightning Attack for a siege monster.

• Double attack usually goes on the Gustav or Gerat Mortar - easy mode. Stalingrad was a doddle with the DA Gustav

• Overwhelming Attack paired with Envelopment creates an insta capture beast - very OP

• Butcher paired with lightning attack and river assault on a pionere is an excellent assault for first attack on cities clearing the bridge hex

• Lethal Attack on Arty or AA is great, especially paired with double attack.

• First strike on heavy tracked AT is very effective - upgrade a tank with steamroller

• Double attack and recon move on an overstrength fighter was really effective in clearing the skies.

• Leadership, expert support etc are good on support AT and arty that you have supporting your line when defending. I keep meaning to try camouflage on a supporting AT to tempt the AI into attack, all to often its too wary of the AT and just moves up to your line and sits there.

Oh I like the idea of camouflage on an AT unit.......

I like my counter battery hero on Gustav - first artillery to shoot within range gets kapowed!

Vigilant - On a tank....I'm not sure why you'd want it on anything else.

The hero (I can't remember what its called) that gives +4 initiative on the first turn then decreases every turn and ends at +1 - On a fighter. Helps win the air war with a distinct edge for the first few turns.

What about flagkiller? Intended for an infantry unit (pioneers), right?

And the Heroes with Entrenchment Killer 2x, 3x and so on? Infantery unit too?

Magic1111 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:54 pm What about flagkiller? Intended for an infantry unit (pioneers), right?

And the Heroes with Entrenchment Killer 2x, 3x and so on? Infantery unit too?

I've not had any of those units - but flag killer I think you're right to think Pioneer, maybe even a bomber or Art to help soften the target up.

Entrenchment killer I'd say Infantry, tac bomber or tank with Vigilance hero (but then again still not ideal to be attacking a heavily entrenched enemy with a tank) Art & Strat bombers wouldn't benefit as already have entrenchment killer traits.

rapid fire also on Gustav

Lethal Attack is deadly on a Strat Bomber for the same reason it is on heavy artillery (like the 15-21cm pieces). I actually prefer it on a strat bomber vs. artillery

Entrenchment Killer is good on Stukas, assuming you've knocked out the AA.

Flag Killer is highly situational, but deffo on the engineers.

I've found the following pretty anonymous in gameplay:

• Resilient, "Cannot lose more than half of max strength in one go"
• TenaciousDefender, "Defense bonus for each adjacent enemy unit"
• FierceFighter, "Attack bonus for each adjacent enemy unit"
• Provocator, "Enemies attacking adjacent friendly unit will attack this unit instead."
• Avenger, "Gets attack bonus for each point of lost strength"
• Prudent, "Gets defense bonus for each point of lost strength"
• CombatLuck, "Combat results can never be worse than predicted"

I read somewhere where the Hero 's didn't deliver when attached to the Gustav/Great? can't wait to try them

scorehouse wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:57 pm I read somewhere where the Hero 's didn't deliver when attached to the Gustav/Great? can't wait to try them

Counter battery definitely works - as does half slot cost.

Double Attack works great on recons - it saves me much time mopping up 1-2 power leftovers and keeps the tanks and infantry busy elsewhere. Especially in later scenarios even with overrrun on tanks using them for this leaves them at a risk of being out of ammo when it counts, so this is quite useful. It also allows the recon to sneak past the defenders and take out an artillery piece in one turn.

Fast Learner on fighters, as they tend to accumulate experience slowly, especially at the start of the game.

Aggressive Counterattack for tactical bombers with higher air attact stats (The Bf 110 and later FW 190 models) it helps the operate without fighter escort even more.

Tassadar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:19 pm
Fast Learner on fighters, as they tend to accumulate experience slowly, especially at the start of the game.

Aggressive Counterattack for tactical bombers with higher air attact stats (The Bf 110 and later FW 190 models) it helps the operate without fighter escort even more.

nice, hadn't thought of those. Add on Resilient, Avenger, Prudent to the AC on the tac bombers would make them very effective.

Tassadar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:19 pm Fast Learner on fighters, as they tend to accumulate experience slowly, especially at the start of the game.

Also useful on AA and AT units, since their use is quite situational, and they tend to (generally) not get that much experience.

Thanks guys for all your suggestions!

I´m looking forward to further reports!

Schlack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:01 pm I keep meaning to try camouflage on a supporting AT to tempt the AI into attack, all to often its too wary of the AT and just moves up to your line and sits there.

Tried it, works really well, paired it with tank killer. (Scouts and planes can negate the camo though). Idiot AI just keeps attacking the weak point in the line and getting blasted with the support AT. To shreds you say? Next turn there's usually a few remnants that are easily cleared up.

Liberator on fast moving ground recon units.

Provocator is actually useful. I had a 15 strength tank (Pz IV then Panther) with this trait. I could carefully escort weaker units, like pioneer on the open or AA guns which the AI finds attractive, with this tank and the AI would systematically end up attacking the overstrength tank instead of the weaker units.

Demetrios_of_Messene wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:35 am Liberator on fast moving ground recon units.

Provocator is actually useful. I had a 15 strength tank (Pz IV then Panther) with this trait. I could carefully escort weaker units, like pioneer on the open or AA guns which the AI finds attractive, with this tank and the AI would systematically end up attacking the overstrength tank instead of the weaker units.

Provocotor is one of my favorite heroes.Early war shove it on a Stug, infantry do nothing to it and armor is attracted to it.. It is great in Stalingrad on a Pz IV running down the lanes, provoking and smashing the conscipt's. It is great late war on a panther with an elephant or nashorn behind it. It is also amazing for surrounding units. Surround a unit and no matter what the Provocator is the only unit that can be attacked.

Magic1111 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:54 pm What about flagkiller? Intended for an infantry unit (pioneers), right?

And the Heroes with Entrenchment Killer 2x, 3x and so on? Infantery unit too?

Just bought the game last week, so sorry for thread necromancy. I am simply amazed with the difference between normal flame units this combo on a 15 overstrength SdKfz 251/16 Flamm:
1. Readiness (strikes 1st when defending)
2. No Retaliation (enemy units don't shoot back when attacked)
3. Flag Killer (+5 vs. enemy flags).

In my limited experience I've found flame units do well enough vs. entrenched infantry in cities but take horrendous damage. With this essentially nothing. No waiting a turn for replacements & lots of overruns.

PS, love the game.

I will add
1. entrenchment killer on fighter so they have something to do after the skies are clear.
2. no/reduce slot heros and +5 over strength hero on tanks towards the end of the game since a 20 strength standard panzer take up the most slots in the game.
3. lethal attack on strat bombers which gives them a defense of a strat bomber but killer power of a tac bomber.