Slitherine

Can a BG in a one base wide and 4 MF bases long column infiltrate between 2 enemies BG (let's say with the very minimum to infiltrate : 50mm) then make a 90 pivot letting some bases kinked due to lack of room ?
Does this BG have a restricted area ?
Can this BG intercept if the enemy BG in front of him charge another BG ?

If the answers are #yes# for the 3 questions...this is Giant Anaconda invasion !!!!

More seriously, can we consider #kinked# formation is possible if not on a road or following terrain ?
It's not written that BGs should be in a legal formation to be able to charge, what should we think of that ?

Check the rules iirc there is something about kinked units turning and essentially being required to unkink.

SOmething like needing to be in a normal formation after turning and therefore no kink.

hazelbark wrote:Check the rules iirc there is something about kinked units turning and essentially being required to unkink.

SOmething like needing to be in a normal formation after turning and therefore no kink.

The rule that (I believe) you are talking about says that in order to make a move a BG must be in a legal formation. A kinked column is a legal formation.

Marc

bawawa wrote:Can a BG in a one base wide and 4 MF bases long column infiltrate between 2 enemies BG (let's say with the very minimum to infiltrate : 50mm) then make a 90 pivot letting some bases kinked due to lack of room ?

If you mean that can a column go into a gap where there is room for it and then wheel then yes

Does this BG have a restricted area ?

Yes

Can this BG intercept if the enemy BG in front of him charge another BG ?

Yes

If the answers are #yes# for the 3 questions...this is Giant Anaconda invasion !!!!

Why?

More seriously, can we consider #kinked# formation is possible if not on a road or following terrain ?
It's not written that BGs should be in a legal formation to be able to charge, what should we think of that ?

Kinked columns can charge, nothing to stop that but if you put the figures on the table and do the moves correctly you will end up with some of the kinked BG infront of the BG that has been infiltrated past so why doesn't that BG just charge the edge of the kinked column?

Heck, if the column has slipped between two enemy BGs one of them must be behind the column (a kinked BG faces in the direction of the front base IIRC) so just charge it in the rear.

As I see it this is a non issue.

Anaconda Invasion! . . . I was hoping this thread would involve Tupi.

The interesting thing about the BG being threatened charging the end of the kinked column is that they are unlikely to qualify for a flank charge so although on Impact bases would turn, it looks to me like the attack would be treated as a charge on the front of the column and conform accordingly in the Manoeuvre Phase, if physically possible.

Mike

If you mean can you pivot the unit 90 degrees (not wheel them) the answer is no since there is no room to deploy the unit into the new formation due to the enemy units. Unless there is enough room to deploy 2 bases deep in between the enemy units.
I have to assume the gap you are moving into is just wide enough to fit your column between based on your original post.
So might not be too anacondaish if you can pull it off congrats to you if not...... back to the drawing board

In the example the column is 4 MF so has room to turn 90 degrees into formation two-deep. If they can move and turn this would move them further through the gap than wheeling and this might move the tail end of the column far enough to be past the front line of the neighboring enemies and thus not in their charge arcs. They would also be in position to charge or intercept.

I deserve to be pinned and flank charged if I leave a gap and let the enemy exploit it this way.

Mike

So basic thing here is dont leave big gaps your enemy can exploit. Then again I am thinking it would be hard to pull this off anyway. Interesting idea, unless of course it happens to you.

babyshark wrote:

hazelbark wrote:Check the rules iirc there is something about kinked units turning and essentially being required to unkink.

SOmething like needing to be in a normal formation after turning and therefore no kink.

The rule that (I believe) you are talking about says that in order to make a move a BG must be in a legal formation. A kinked column is a legal formation.

Marc

But if you turn 90 degrees (turn not wheel) then you are no longer a kinked column.

Doesn't the rules speak only about road or terrain regard of "kinking" ?..... do you really think that a "kinked column is ok to fight, do you really think that this column has sufficient "power" to charge ?
I really think NO, and I really think that a BG should be in a rectangular formation to charge, exept maybe LH or:and LF.
My exemple was maybe too much "simple" with a gap between 2 BG same side, but let' consider few room between 2 BG not same side....you know, that sort of situation after a former fight or something like that....and suddenly you have the "Anaconda" lurking between the BGs , in a "kinked" column putting enemie BG in a restricted area, without any risk caus the other BG is his own side...and next turn intercepting or maybe charging directly from his kinked column wich is not due to terrain ...seems really...curious...at least
Sorry for the grammar mistakes and my poor english !
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