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Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:33 pm
by stockwellpete
Is there any chance of having "some armour" added for Anglo-Saxon hirdsmen via this beta please, Richard? It has been discussed elsewhere and you seem to be open to that change. Just to close the gap a bit between protected hirdsmen and armoured huscarls.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:13 pm
by rbodleyscott
Yes, I suppose so. The only thing that has stopped me so far is that I know for certain that certain people (present company excepted) will then demand that they have new models showing armour! That isn't going to happen.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm
by pompeytheflatulent
Why not just have half huscarls and half hirdsmen in the relevant lists during the transition period?
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:07 am
by melm
pompeytheflatulent wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm
Why not just have half huscarls and half hirdsmen in the relevant lists during the transition period?
Sounds good. And then paint their tunic with same colour. Job done.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:20 am
by rbodleyscott
pompeytheflatulent wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm
Why not just have half huscarls and half hirdsmen in the relevant lists during the transition period?
Because they are unlikely to have had any wholly armoured units at all.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:22 am
by Athos1660
Always surprised to see how cosmetics matter to some. FoG miniatures are so small!
If I were you, I’d just change the figures in squad.csv and mention in the patch notes that the armours are being cleaned and repaired at the blacksmith's or that the Anglo-Saxon hirdsmen are waiting for a trade agreement with Vercingetorix to buy them in Gaul...
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:07 am
by stockwellpete
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:20 am
pompeytheflatulent wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm
Why not just have half huscarls and half hirdsmen in the relevant lists during the transition period?
Because they are unlikely to have had any wholly armoured units at all.
Yes. I suppose the greatest concentrations of fully armoured hirdsmen would be in the "royal" Saxon armies, but even then you are talking about a relatively small numbers of soldiers.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:03 pm
by melm
Athos1660 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:22 am
Always surprised to see how cosmetics matter to some. FoG miniatures are so small!
If I were you, I’d just change the figures in squad.csv and mention in the patch notes that the armours are being cleaned and repaired at the blacksmith's or that the Anglo-Saxon hirdsmen are waiting for a trade agreement with Vercingetorix to buy them in Gaul...
We can take a look at the models in Warhammer 40k: Sanctus Reach, another game published by Slitherine. And same engine as FOGII. So FOGII has the potential to have breathtaking miniatures like its peers.
If whole armoured soldiers is anachronistic, then we'd better wait.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:27 pm
by Athos1660
melm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:03 pm
We can take a look at the models in Warhammer 40k: Sanctus Reach, another game published by Slitherine. And same engine as FOGII. So FOGII has the potential to have breathtaking miniatures like its peers.
If whole armoured soldiers is anachronistic, then we'd better wait.
We each have our own priorities.
So do the devs. And it is a small team.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:34 pm
by stockwellpete
There is no need for a separate model. Just make all hirdsmen units have "some armour" and that covers all eventualities very simply.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:22 pm
by rbodleyscott
stockwellpete wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:34 pm
There is no need for a separate model. Just make all hirdsmen units have "some armour" and that covers all eventualities very simply.
It is done for the next update.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:29 pm
by pompeytheflatulent
Athos1660 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:22 am
Always surprised to see how cosmetics matter to some. FoG miniatures are so small!
If I were you, I’d just change the figures in squad.csv and mention in the patch notes that the armours are being cleaned and repaired at the blacksmith's or that the Anglo-Saxon hirdsmen are waiting for a trade agreement with Vercingetorix to buy them in Gaul...
No, I just really wanted to avoid another unit like the well-equiped shieldwall from the Anglo-Danish list: looks like huscarls, walks like huscarl, quacks like huscarls. But closer in price and capabilities to regular old shieldwalls. Really confusing when playing.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:35 pm
by Athos1660
pompeytheflatulent wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:29 pm
No, I just really wanted to avoid another unit like the well-equiped shieldwall from the Anglo-Danish list: looks like huscarls, walks like huscarl, quacks like huscarls. But closer in price and capabilities to regular old shieldwalls. Really confusing when playing.
Ok
(btw my comment was meant to be just a light-hearted reply to rbodleyscott's first post. No harm intended.)
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:41 pm
by stockwellpete
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:22 pm
stockwellpete wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:34 pm
There is no need for a separate model. Just make all hirdsmen units have "some armour" and that covers all eventualities very simply.
It is done for the next update.
Cheers Richard.
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:46 pm
by toska
I feel that late veteran hoplites also need some armor
Re: Armour for hirdsmen?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:06 pm
by MVP7
toska wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:46 pm
I feel that late veteran hoplites also need some armor
Hoplite armour generally became lighter towards the end of the weapon system's lifespan though.