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I wonder why twin-engine fighters have less attack than single-engine fighters. Indeed, in reality there was more weapons in twin-engine ones. After all, they used the advantage of height and tactics hit and fled. I understand when they have less defense against fighter jets, but an attack less is not realistic.
I hope modding will still be available.

miv79 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:17 am I wonder why twin-engine fighters have less attack than single-engine fighters. Indeed, in reality there was more weapons in twin-engine ones. After all, they used the advantage of height and tactics hit and fled. I understand when they have less defense against fighter jets, but an attack less is not realistic.
I hope modding will still be available.

If your look at the Bf110 which you can start with as the German, its actually pretty good.

It's true that it isn't as good a tac bomber as the Stuka, or as good vs enemy fighters as the Bf109, but it's an excrement all rounder. It can bomb without escort without fear of annihilation, and does ok damage vs both soft and hard targets.

It's also super cheap, in prestige and slots both, making it an excellent candidate for overstrength. OS makes it durable and hard hitting, while still cheap to give replacements!

Mod support is present. PC2 is designed to be modder friendly.

The problem is that in reality twin-engine fighters were the best killers of bombers, in the game on YouTube I saw less attack than bf 109.
Mods will fix everything Oh, I will definitely help myself.

miv79 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:30 pm The problem is that in reality twin-engine fighters were the best killers of bombers, in the game on YouTube I saw less attack than bf 109.

You can cheaply os your Bf110 - and then it actually hits harder than an equally priced 109.

But yes, I could also have liked a little higher air attack on the 110. Low defense and lower initiative, but good attack.

If I feel really strongly about it I can mod it in about 1 minute

nexusno2000 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:35 pm But yes, I could also have liked a little higher air attack on the 110. Low defense and lower initiative, but good attack.

That's right, this plane already has disadvantages in front of single-engine fighters, we will only return justice, it’s true that it will also have to be paid It’s just that it’s a half-solution that makes little sense. Does he have more anti-tank attack? It’s just that they were more effective in this regard than ordinary ju 87 due to their guns and hitting the back of the tank.

miv79 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:17 am I wonder why twin-engine fighters have less attack than single-engine fighters. Indeed, in reality there was more weapons in twin-engine ones. After all, they used the advantage of height and tactics hit and fled. I understand when they have less defense against fighter jets, but an attack less is not realistic.
I hope modding will still be available.

Something of a fallacy that a twin engine fighter carried more weapons than a single engine fighter. An Me 210 had 2x20mm cannons and 2x7.62 mgs. An Fw 190 D9 had 2x20mm cannonns and 2x13mm mgs. An F4U-4 Corsair had 4x20mm cannons and a P38-J had 1x20mm cannon and 4x12.7mm mgs.

In both cases the single engine fighter had the heavier armament.

A lot of American fighters had only mgs, but that's because they only faced other fighters, they didn't have to contend with bomber interception in Europe

Hemi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:52 am

miv79 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:17 am I wonder why twin-engine fighters have less attack than single-engine fighters. Indeed, in reality there was more weapons in twin-engine ones. After all, they used the advantage of height and tactics hit and fled. I understand when they have less defense against fighter jets, but an attack less is not realistic.
I hope modding will still be available.

Something of a fallacy that a twin engine fighter carried more weapons than a single engine fighter. An Me 210 had 2x20mm cannons and 2x7.62 mgs. An Fw 190 D9 had 2x20mm cannonns and 2x13mm mgs. An F4U-4 Corsair had 4x20mm cannons and a P38-J had 1x20mm cannon and 4x12.7mm mgs.

In both cases the single engine fighter had the heavier armament.

A lot of American fighters had only mgs, but that's because they only faced other fighters, they didn't have to contend with bomber interception in Europe

You forget that at the beginning of the war they exceeded all single-engine fighters in salvo power. Also, then their firepower increased due to additional guns and an increase in caliber. fw 190 appeared only at the end of 41 years, I'm not talking about typhoons and american aircraft, which had problems with guns.
The americans really wanted their guns 20mm and higher, the problem was that they had the worst of all the major participants in the war.
Even at the end of the war, two-engine planes outnumbered single-engine ones on both sides by a full volley from the Germans.

miv79 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:14 pm

Hemi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:52 am

miv79 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:17 am I wonder why twin-engine fighters have less attack than single-engine fighters. Indeed, in reality there was more weapons in twin-engine ones. After all, they used the advantage of height and tactics hit and fled. I understand when they have less defense against fighter jets, but an attack less is not realistic.
I hope modding will still be available.

Something of a fallacy that a twin engine fighter carried more weapons than a single engine fighter. An Me 210 had 2x20mm cannons and 2x7.62 mgs. An Fw 190 D9 had 2x20mm cannonns and 2x13mm mgs. An F4U-4 Corsair had 4x20mm cannons and a P38-J had 1x20mm cannon and 4x12.7mm mgs.

In both cases the single engine fighter had the heavier armament.

A lot of American fighters had only mgs, but that's because they only faced other fighters, they didn't have to contend with bomber interception in Europe

You forget that at the beginning of the war they exceeded all single-engine fighters in salvo power. Also, then their firepower increased due to additional guns and an increase in caliber. fw 190 appeared only at the end of 41 years, I'm not talking about typhoons and american aircraft, which had problems with guns.
The americans really wanted their guns 20mm and higher, the problem was that they had the worst of all the major participants in the war.
Even at the end of the war, two-engine planes outnumbered single-engine ones on both sides by a full volley from the Germans.

They built 36,000 IL2s, 31,000 Yak-3s, 30,000 Bf109s, 30,000 FW190s. The twin engine plane with the highest production number was the Ju88 and that was at 15,000. I don't think twin engine planes outnumbered single engines at the end of the war.

I do agree America wanted more cannons but could not figure out how to manufacture a reliable one. But I believe we would have solved that if we faced bombers.

There definately weren't more twin-engines fighters produced on either side than single-engines ones. Not early on, not late during the war. Adding bombers into the mix brings the numbers a bit closer, but that's not really something that matters much when talking about single or twin-engine fighters.

One also shouldn't forget that attack values might not just come from the installed guns. You have to take the whole package into account. Speed, agility, climb-rate, etc. Single-engine fighters were in general vastly superior to twin-engine ones when it came to those details.

The whole thing is more of an abstraction anyway. Every plane had its strengths and weaknesses. It might work excellently in one situation but be rather weak in another one. Take the Bf 110. When used as destroyer, it excelled. When used as bomber-escort that had to stick to its bombers, it was torn to shreds by enemy fighters. You can't really find one attack-value that properly reflects the abilities of a plane under all circumstances. The tools needed to fight bombers aren't necessarily the same you need t o fight fighters. At the very least you would need to seperate attack-values between the targets it is attacking, to make sure that you don't make a bomber-killer a great fighter-killer as well if it never was good at that stuff. Such a thing could get complex rather fast.

Twin-engine fighters as an escort was significantly higher than its bombers and used the tactics of hit and run. In a direct battle, he is certainly not viable unless beginners fly against them. He already has disadvantages against conventional fighters, this is a poor incentive and protection. The problem is that he has a low air attack, if he had a skill against bombers, increasing damage would greatly improve the situation.