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Effective and maximum ranges
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:20 am
by jlopez
Could someone check this is correct and if so the logic behind it?
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A is a LH, bow BG. 123 is a longbow BG. A is angled so all bases are just within range and arc of file 1 but are not in front of it. File 1 is within arc and effective range of A. Since one base in the longbow BG can shoot at effective range, file 2's arc of fire is reduced to one base width to the side instead of two when firing at maximum range. As a result, the longbow unit with a weapon of greater range cannot inflict 1H3PB on A while it is itself vulnerable to A's shooting.
Julian
Re: Effective and maximum ranges
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:50 am
by rbodleyscott
jlopez wrote:Could someone check this is correct and if so the logic behind it?
AA
AA
....123
....123
A is a LH, bow BG. 123 is a longbow BG. A is angled so all bases are just within range and arc of file 1 but are not in front of it. File 1 is within arc and effective range of A. Since one base in the longbow BG can shoot at effective range, file 2's arc of fire is reduced to one base width to the side instead of two when firing at maximum range. As a result, the longbow unit with a weapon of greater range cannot inflict 1H3PB on A while it is itself vulnerable to A's shooting.
Julian
It is correct.
Geometrically, given an arc of fire of x degrees, the width of the zone potentially covered by the arc of fire gets wider as the target gets further from the front of the shooting BG. This is represented in simplified form by the different arc of fire rules for effective and long range.
In this case, the target is not at long range from the front
of the BG, (despite some of the LB bases being outside effective range), so the whole longbow BG gets the close range arc of fire. This corresponds to the above geometry.
With regard to your last comment, them's the breaks. There always going to potentially be situations like this if arcs are finite. Next turn, wheel the longbowmen to face the LH.
Re: Effective and maximum ranges
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:19 am
by jlopez
rbodleyscott wrote:jlopez wrote:Could someone check this is correct and if so the logic behind it?
AA
AA
....123
....123
A is a LH, bow BG. 123 is a longbow BG. A is angled so all bases are just within range and arc of file 1 but are not in front of it. File 1 is within arc and effective range of A. Since one base in the longbow BG can shoot at effective range, file 2's arc of fire is reduced to one base width to the side instead of two when firing at maximum range. As a result, the longbow unit with a weapon of greater range cannot inflict 1H3PB on A while it is itself vulnerable to A's shooting.
Julian
It is correct.
Geometrically, given an arc of fire of x degrees, the width of the zone potentially covered by the arc of fire gets wider as the target gets further from the front of the shooting BG. This is represented in simplified form by the different arc of fire rules for effective and long range.
In this case, the target is not at long range from the front
of the BG, (despite some of the LB bases being outside effective range), so the whole longbow BG gets the close range arc of fire. This corresponds to the above geometry.
With regard to your last comment, them's the breaks. There always going to potentially be situations like this if arcs are finite. Next turn, wheel the longbowmen to face the LH.
That of course is if you pass the CMT for undrilled within 6 inches of the enemy...but hey, I'm not bitter about it. No way.
Julian
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:35 pm
by shall
As a result, the longbow unit with a weapon of greater range cannot inflict 1H3PB on A while it is itself vulnerable to A's shooting.
Only until you wheel and pile full firepower on it. You need to look at the equation over a few rounds not one isolated shot.It pretty realistic. The nimbler LH ride up from a directoin that minimises the shooting at them and has a pop. You then wheel and shoot them with 4 dice - uuch! If you take drilled LBw you are guaranteed revenge, if undrilled you have taken a risk of being swarmed which is very realsitic. Or put a general with the undrilled and get them anyway.
Over the single event it may look odd but over the sequenc of events it has all the richness of the different types I would suggest.
"A battle is not won or lost in a dice roll"
Si
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:59 pm
by gibby
Unless I'm misreading are you saying that all 4 lh can shoot therefore shoot with 2 dice and that files 1 and 2 of the longbow can shoot because its short range for 1. Surely that still means 3 shooting dice for the longbow and is therefore still capable of doing 1hp3b.
So I think the trick is not to be in front of file 1 but to the side and front of an imaginary element to 1's left which therefore means only file 1 fires. If thats what you said then ignore me.
cheers
Jim